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Can you explain what this would be satirizing?

throwaway894345 3y ago
It would be satirizing "race consciousness" by highlighting parallels between it and traditional right-wing racism as embodied by Hitler in this case. I'm not necessarily endorsing that interpretation, but it is a common point made by critics of left-wing identity politics.
- arolihas 3y ago
  So Nazis were conscious of race because they wanted to commit genocide. Left wingers are conscious of race because they want to eradicate social inequities. Yeah, personally I wouldn't waste my time trying to downplay this sort of discourse as a joke.
  - throwaway894345 3y ago
    I'm not "trying to downplay"; this really only makes sense as satire (actual Nazis probably wouldn't borrow leftist phrases like "race consciousness" because they see themselves as opposed to leftists as leftists see themselves as opposed to Nazis). It seems like it is almost certainly quipping about the ironic similarities between two ideologies that purport to be polar opposites (fixation with race, tendency toward mass violence in the extremes, etc). I'm sure that a leftist and a right-winger see the Holocaust and Holodomor as completely different (the Holomor was merely Stalin's persuit of "eradicating social inequities"!), but to a moderate these feel a lot more similar to each other than either of them feel similar to any reasonably desirable moral or political order. So in my mind, this only really works as moderate satire.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > actual Nazis probably wouldn't borrow leftist phrases like "race consciousness" The most definitively actual of actual Nazis borrowed leftist phrases like “Socialism” right into the name of the party from which “Nazi” is abbreviated, as well as a lot of other leftist language (while radically recontextualizing the meaning.) Borrowing language from existing left, right, center, religious, and secular groups, and then rearranging and defining them to create the appearance that the natural endpoint of whatever your existing ideology is is Nazism is what actual Nazis do.
      - arolihas 3y ago
        Yeah I don't understand what the original commenter is thinking if he's going to insist that this is actually some sort of centrist joke. I really don't want to assume the worst here.
    - arolihas 3y ago
      This isn't moderate in my mind. Only a Nazi or a complete fool would try to equivocate genocidal ideologies with current leftist rhetoric.

It would be satirizing "race consciousness" by highlighting parallels between it and traditional right-wing racism as embodied by Hitler in this case. I'm not necessarily endorsing that interpretation, but it is a common point made by critics of left-wing identity politics.

arolihas 3y ago
So Nazis were conscious of race because they wanted to commit genocide. Left wingers are conscious of race because they want to eradicate social inequities. Yeah, personally I wouldn't waste my time trying to downplay this sort of discourse as a joke.
- throwaway894345 3y ago
  I'm not "trying to downplay"; this really only makes sense as satire (actual Nazis probably wouldn't borrow leftist phrases like "race consciousness" because they see themselves as opposed to leftists as leftists see themselves as opposed to Nazis). It seems like it is almost certainly quipping about the ironic similarities between two ideologies that purport to be polar opposites (fixation with race, tendency toward mass violence in the extremes, etc). I'm sure that a leftist and a right-winger see the Holocaust and Holodomor as completely different (the Holomor was merely Stalin's persuit of "eradicating social inequities"!), but to a moderate these feel a lot more similar to each other than either of them feel similar to any reasonably desirable moral or political order. So in my mind, this only really works as moderate satire.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > actual Nazis probably wouldn't borrow leftist phrases like "race consciousness" The most definitively actual of actual Nazis borrowed leftist phrases like “Socialism” right into the name of the party from which “Nazi” is abbreviated, as well as a lot of other leftist language (while radically recontextualizing the meaning.) Borrowing language from existing left, right, center, religious, and secular groups, and then rearranging and defining them to create the appearance that the natural endpoint of whatever your existing ideology is is Nazism is what actual Nazis do.
    - arolihas 3y ago
      Yeah I don't understand what the original commenter is thinking if he's going to insist that this is actually some sort of centrist joke. I really don't want to assume the worst here.
  - arolihas 3y ago
    This isn't moderate in my mind. Only a Nazi or a complete fool would try to equivocate genocidal ideologies with current leftist rhetoric.