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That’s a straw man. The Krita picture of “Kiki” is not a member of my family, or anyone else’s. Nobody in my family is ambiguously young with melon sized breast

by dahart 4y ago

That’s a straw man. The Krita picture of “Kiki” is not a member of my family, or anyone else’s. Nobody in my family is ambiguously young with melon sized breasts, and even if they were I definitely wouldn’t have a picture of it on my desk.

prophesi 4y ago
Your verbiage makes it sound concerning, but if it's the following image[0] then I don't see how anyone could misconstrue it with lolita culture. It looks like something you'd see in a Studio Ghibli film. [0] https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_20201224A_kiki_c1_1080P-2048x1024.png https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_...
- dahart 4y ago
  The visible garters aren’t a clue? Yes the visual style might be similar to Ghibli, in the sense that it’s anime, but see if you can find a shot from any of their films with garters under a skirt. That’s only one of the Krita splash screens. If you look at all of them, the suggestiveness is relatively consistent though not exactly the same from version to version. Speaking only personally, I can imagine how this image would make some people slightly squeamish if I had it on display at work. I’m not saying you shouldn’t have it on your desktop. You do you. I’m only saying I wouldn’t do it, and not necessarily for obvious or extreme reasons, it’s really just for subtle reasons, but personally I don’t see how anyone could not see the slightly suggestive nature of Krita’s splash screens. Which is fine at home, just not at work (for me).
  - uberman 4y ago
    While no garders, Kiki's Delivery Service has plenty of pantie shots far cringier than a pair of garters.
    - dahart 4y ago
      Cool. I don’t hang those on my office wall either. It’s not a competition for which one’s worse. There are images that aren’t in any danger of bothering coworkers, and images that aren’t appropriate in all settings. Both of the Kikis here land in the second category when it comes to professional workplaces, unless maybe you’re an animator. As far as Kiki’s Delivery Service goes, Googling it, people online tend to point out that the shots are of bloomers, not panties per-se. It’s not a sexualized symbol like garters are. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097814/parentalguide/nudity https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097814/parentalguide/nudity
- Vrondi 4y ago
  In most western cultures, visible garters are lingerie not appropriate to a professional environment for anyone who isn't a sex worker/stripper/fashion model.
raincole 4y ago
> That's a straw man. Then proceeded to talk about "melon sized breasts", which Krita's mascot doesn't have. If there is an award of the lack of self-awareness, this comment deserves a nomination.
- dahart 4y ago
  Some of them certainly do. https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7 https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - noisy_boy 4y ago
    Still don't see them. You seem awfully keen to die on this hill, huh?
    - hallarempt 4y ago
      Heh. If any of the official Kiki images has a Kiki with melon-sized boobs, _I_ would have melon-sized boobs, and I've only been on HRT for a year and a half, and am an A-cup. (Aspiring to a B-cup, though!)
      - dahart 4y ago
        I guess using the word melon seems to have triggered some people, and is arguable given the cartoony proportions, but the links I put above are definitely adult boobs, and larger than B cup, relative to the torso/shoulders/arms. The boob size isn’t really the point, the subject matter as a whole just isn’t workplace material, right? I don’t quite understand all the pushback on the idea that these pictures aren’t completely neutral and aren’t 100% appropriate for the workplace.
        4y ago
mixmastamyk 4y ago
Holy cow, project much? These complaints about a... "squirrel girl mascot" where you give graphic descriptions about body parts says more about you than the images/authors. "The dude doth protest too much, methinks"
- dahart 4y ago
  Why are the comments getting more flippant, more incredulous, and more unreasonable despite there being lots of discussion already explaining the nuanced and fairly uncontroversial point of view that squirrel girl isn’t the single most appropriate image for a workplace? I’m not alone, and this isn’t the first conversation about Krita’s splash screens being mildly unprofessional. Nobody here is claiming the pictures are generally inappropriate, only that they’re not neutral in the workplace. I don’t mind the art. My kids have similar art. I still wouldn’t hang it on my office wall. If you want to, you should, and see if everyone at your work likes it. I was only trying to add explanation and specificity to my comment precisely because of comments like yours pretending incredulously that there’s absolutely nothing to discuss, and attacking me with ad-hominems.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    You should check your comment history if you’re honestly surprised. I found at least one comment offensive. As I do general puritanism.

by dahart 4y ago

prophesi 4y ago

Your verbiage makes it sound concerning, but if it's the following image[0] then I don't see how anyone could misconstrue it with lolita culture. It looks like something you'd see in a Studio Ghibli film. [0] https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_20201224A_kiki_c1_1080P-2048x1024.png https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_...

dahart 4y ago
The visible garters aren’t a clue? Yes the visual style might be similar to Ghibli, in the sense that it’s anime, but see if you can find a shot from any of their films with garters under a skirt. That’s only one of the Krita splash screens. If you look at all of them, the suggestiveness is relatively consistent though not exactly the same from version to version. Speaking only personally, I can imagine how this image would make some people slightly squeamish if I had it on display at work. I’m not saying you shouldn’t have it on your desktop. You do you. I’m only saying I wouldn’t do it, and not necessarily for obvious or extreme reasons, it’s really just for subtle reasons, but personally I don’t see how anyone could not see the slightly suggestive nature of Krita’s splash screens. Which is fine at home, just not at work (for me).
- uberman 4y ago
  While no garders, Kiki's Delivery Service has plenty of pantie shots far cringier than a pair of garters.
  - dahart 4y ago
    Cool. I don’t hang those on my office wall either. It’s not a competition for which one’s worse. There are images that aren’t in any danger of bothering coworkers, and images that aren’t appropriate in all settings. Both of the Kikis here land in the second category when it comes to professional workplaces, unless maybe you’re an animator. As far as Kiki’s Delivery Service goes, Googling it, people online tend to point out that the shots are of bloomers, not panties per-se. It’s not a sexualized symbol like garters are. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097814/parentalguide/nudity https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097814/parentalguide/nudity
Vrondi 4y ago
In most western cultures, visible garters are lingerie not appropriate to a professional environment for anyone who isn't a sex worker/stripper/fashion model.

raincole 4y ago

> That's a straw man. Then proceeded to talk about "melon sized breasts", which Krita's mascot doesn't have. If there is an award of the lack of self-awareness, this comment deserves a nomination.

dahart 4y ago
Some of them certainly do. https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7 https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7
- deleted 4y ago
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- noisy_boy 4y ago
  Still don't see them. You seem awfully keen to die on this hill, huh?
  - hallarempt 4y ago
    Heh. If any of the official Kiki images has a Kiki with melon-sized boobs, _I_ would have melon-sized boobs, and I've only been on HRT for a year and a half, and am an A-cup. (Aspiring to a B-cup, though!)
    - dahart 4y ago
      I guess using the word melon seems to have triggered some people, and is arguable given the cartoony proportions, but the links I put above are definitely adult boobs, and larger than B cup, relative to the torso/shoulders/arms. The boob size isn’t really the point, the subject matter as a whole just isn’t workplace material, right? I don’t quite understand all the pushback on the idea that these pictures aren’t completely neutral and aren’t 100% appropriate for the workplace.
      - 4y ago

mixmastamyk 4y ago

Holy cow, project much? These complaints about a... "squirrel girl mascot" where you give graphic descriptions about body parts says more about you than the images/authors. "The dude doth protest too much, methinks"

dahart 4y ago
Why are the comments getting more flippant, more incredulous, and more unreasonable despite there being lots of discussion already explaining the nuanced and fairly uncontroversial point of view that squirrel girl isn’t the single most appropriate image for a workplace? I’m not alone, and this isn’t the first conversation about Krita’s splash screens being mildly unprofessional. Nobody here is claiming the pictures are generally inappropriate, only that they’re not neutral in the workplace. I don’t mind the art. My kids have similar art. I still wouldn’t hang it on my office wall. If you want to, you should, and see if everyone at your work likes it. I was only trying to add explanation and specificity to my comment precisely because of comments like yours pretending incredulously that there’s absolutely nothing to discuss, and attacking me with ad-hominems.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  You should check your comment history if you’re honestly surprised. I found at least one comment offensive. As I do general puritanism.