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There doesn’t have to be a rule against cutesy mascots for the Krita splash to be just a little bit weird. I don’t have pictures of any women not in my family,

by dahart 4y ago

There doesn’t have to be a rule against cutesy mascots for the Krita splash to be just a little bit weird. I don’t have pictures of any women not in my family, especially young girls, on my desk, and people around me would consider it weird if I did, and I would consider it a little weird if they did. True, the switch doesn’t prevent female anime mascots from popping up elsewhere, yet somehow that’s not a problem I’ve ever had, is it common for you? * edit I don’t know or understand why this is being downvoted, but to make the point slightly more clearly, Krita’s splash screens are only slightly unprofessional, and they are are slightly unprofessional for exactly the same reason that using the Lena image in computer vision is now considered slightly unprofessional. People are free to disagree, but it’s a fact that some people don’t love it, and that’s all that’s needed to make it “semi” inappropriate for work. It’s nothing obscene, nothing in your face, it’s just slightly suggestive in a way that not everyone wants at work.

zamnos 4y ago
No wife/girlfriends/sisters/daughters/nieces in your life? Do you have zero pictures of the boys/men in your life as well? Not even a family picture?
- dahart 4y ago
  That’s a straw man. The Krita picture of “Kiki” is not a member of my family, or anyone else’s. Nobody in my family is ambiguously young with melon sized breasts, and even if they were I definitely wouldn’t have a picture of it on my desk.
  - prophesi 4y ago
    Your verbiage makes it sound concerning, but if it's the following image[0] then I don't see how anyone could misconstrue it with lolita culture. It looks like something you'd see in a Studio Ghibli film. [0] https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_20201224A_kiki_c1_1080P-2048x1024.png https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_...
    - dahart 4y ago
      The visible garters aren’t a clue? Yes the visual style might be similar to Ghibli, in the sense that it’s anime, but see if you can find a shot from any of their films with garters under a skirt. That’s only one of the Krita splash screens. If you look at all of them, the suggestiveness is relatively consistent though not exactly the same from version to version. Speaking only personally, I can imagine how this image would make some people slightly squeamish if I had it on display at work. I’m not saying you shouldn’t have it on your desktop. You do you. I’m only saying I wouldn’t do it, and not necessarily for obvious or extreme reasons, it’s really just for subtle reasons, but personally I don’t see how anyone could not see the slightly suggestive nature of Krita’s splash screens. Which is fine at home, just not at work (for me).
      - uberman 4y ago
        While no garders, Kiki's Delivery Service has plenty of pantie shots far cringier than a pair of garters.
        dahart 4y ago
        Cool. I don’t hang those on my office wall either. It’s not a competition for which one’s worse. There are images that aren’t in any danger of bothering coworkers, and images that aren’t appropriate in all settings. Both of the Kikis here land in the second category when it comes to professional workplaces, unless maybe you’re an animator. As far as Kiki’s Delivery Service goes, Googling it, people online tend to point out that the shots are of bloomers, not panties per-se. It’s not a sexualized symbol like garters are. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097814/parentalguide/nudity https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097814/parentalguide/nudity
    - Vrondi 4y ago
      In most western cultures, visible garters are lingerie not appropriate to a professional environment for anyone who isn't a sex worker/stripper/fashion model.
  - raincole 4y ago
    > That's a straw man. Then proceeded to talk about "melon sized breasts", which Krita's mascot doesn't have. If there is an award of the lack of self-awareness, this comment deserves a nomination.
    - dahart 4y ago
      Some of them certainly do. https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7 https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7
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      - noisy_boy 4y ago
        Still don't see them. You seem awfully keen to die on this hill, huh?
        hallarempt 4y ago
        Heh. If any of the official Kiki images has a Kiki with melon-sized boobs, _I_ would have melon-sized boobs, and I've only been on HRT for a year and a half, and am an A-cup. (Aspiring to a B-cup, though!)
        dahart 4y ago
        I guess using the word melon seems to have triggered some people, and is arguable given the cartoony proportions, but the links I put above are definitely adult boobs, and larger than B cup, relative to the torso/shoulders/arms. The boob size isn’t really the point, the subject matter as a whole just isn’t workplace material, right? I don’t quite understand all the pushback on the idea that these pictures aren’t completely neutral and aren’t 100% appropriate for the workplace.
        4y ago
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    Holy cow, project much? These complaints about a... "squirrel girl mascot" where you give graphic descriptions about body parts says more about you than the images/authors. "The dude doth protest too much, methinks"
    - dahart 4y ago
      Why are the comments getting more flippant, more incredulous, and more unreasonable despite there being lots of discussion already explaining the nuanced and fairly uncontroversial point of view that squirrel girl isn’t the single most appropriate image for a workplace? I’m not alone, and this isn’t the first conversation about Krita’s splash screens being mildly unprofessional. Nobody here is claiming the pictures are generally inappropriate, only that they’re not neutral in the workplace. I don’t mind the art. My kids have similar art. I still wouldn’t hang it on my office wall. If you want to, you should, and see if everyone at your work likes it. I was only trying to add explanation and specificity to my comment precisely because of comments like yours pretending incredulously that there’s absolutely nothing to discuss, and attacking me with ad-hominems.
      - mixmastamyk 4y ago
        You should check your comment history if you’re honestly surprised. I found at least one comment offensive. As I do general puritanism.
jeroenhd 4y ago
"a little bit weird" is a pretty low bar to cross. Enough to maybe go "huh okay", but nowhere close to NSFW. Your average news site carries ads more NSFW than this and most people still browse the web without ad blockers. Why would the gender of the mascot even matter? Would it be better if the mascot was male?
- dahart 4y ago
  Depends entirely on your definition of “safe”. And yes my very point was that a little bit weird is a low bar to cross, and yet it’s still crossing a bar. That is exactly why the parent said “semi” NSFW. I don’t browse news sites at work for the same reason. Hey if you want your boss and co-workers to see you with “huh okay” stuff on your screen, and have no concern you might slowly lose on promotions or get HR complaints, then knock yourself out. Speaking only personally, I don’t want anyone in my office to feel uncomfortable with what’s on my screen or desk. The gender doesn’t matter. It would be just as weird if it was an ambiguously young looking male child/teenager with emphasized anatomy under tight clothing. I would definitely also avoid having that on my monitor or desk.

by dahart 4y ago

zamnos 4y ago

No wife/girlfriends/sisters/daughters/nieces in your life? Do you have zero pictures of the boys/men in your life as well? Not even a family picture?

dahart 4y ago
That’s a straw man. The Krita picture of “Kiki” is not a member of my family, or anyone else’s. Nobody in my family is ambiguously young with melon sized breasts, and even if they were I definitely wouldn’t have a picture of it on my desk.
- prophesi 4y ago
  Your verbiage makes it sound concerning, but if it's the following image[0] then I don't see how anyone could misconstrue it with lolita culture. It looks like something you'd see in a Studio Ghibli film. [0] https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_20201224A_kiki_c1_1080P-2048x1024.png https://krita.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_...
  - dahart 4y ago
    The visible garters aren’t a clue? Yes the visual style might be similar to Ghibli, in the sense that it’s anime, but see if you can find a shot from any of their films with garters under a skirt. That’s only one of the Krita splash screens. If you look at all of them, the suggestiveness is relatively consistent though not exactly the same from version to version. Speaking only personally, I can imagine how this image would make some people slightly squeamish if I had it on display at work. I’m not saying you shouldn’t have it on your desktop. You do you. I’m only saying I wouldn’t do it, and not necessarily for obvious or extreme reasons, it’s really just for subtle reasons, but personally I don’t see how anyone could not see the slightly suggestive nature of Krita’s splash screens. Which is fine at home, just not at work (for me).
    - uberman 4y ago
      While no garders, Kiki's Delivery Service has plenty of pantie shots far cringier than a pair of garters.
      - dahart 4y ago
        Cool. I don’t hang those on my office wall either. It’s not a competition for which one’s worse. There are images that aren’t in any danger of bothering coworkers, and images that aren’t appropriate in all settings. Both of the Kikis here land in the second category when it comes to professional workplaces, unless maybe you’re an animator. As far as Kiki’s Delivery Service goes, Googling it, people online tend to point out that the shots are of bloomers, not panties per-se. It’s not a sexualized symbol like garters are. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097814/parentalguide/nudity https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097814/parentalguide/nudity
  - Vrondi 4y ago
    In most western cultures, visible garters are lingerie not appropriate to a professional environment for anyone who isn't a sex worker/stripper/fashion model.
- raincole 4y ago
  > That's a straw man. Then proceeded to talk about "melon sized breasts", which Krita's mascot doesn't have. If there is an award of the lack of self-awareness, this comment deserves a nomination.
  - dahart 4y ago
    Some of them certainly do. https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7 https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7
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    - noisy_boy 4y ago
      Still don't see them. You seem awfully keen to die on this hill, huh?
      - hallarempt 4y ago
        Heh. If any of the official Kiki images has a Kiki with melon-sized boobs, _I_ would have melon-sized boobs, and I've only been on HRT for a year and a half, and am an A-cup. (Aspiring to a B-cup, though!)
        dahart 4y ago
        I guess using the word melon seems to have triggered some people, and is arguable given the cartoony proportions, but the links I put above are definitely adult boobs, and larger than B cup, relative to the torso/shoulders/arms. The boob size isn’t really the point, the subject matter as a whole just isn’t workplace material, right? I don’t quite understand all the pushback on the idea that these pictures aren’t completely neutral and aren’t 100% appropriate for the workplace.
        4y ago
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Holy cow, project much? These complaints about a... "squirrel girl mascot" where you give graphic descriptions about body parts says more about you than the images/authors. "The dude doth protest too much, methinks"
  - dahart 4y ago
    Why are the comments getting more flippant, more incredulous, and more unreasonable despite there being lots of discussion already explaining the nuanced and fairly uncontroversial point of view that squirrel girl isn’t the single most appropriate image for a workplace? I’m not alone, and this isn’t the first conversation about Krita’s splash screens being mildly unprofessional. Nobody here is claiming the pictures are generally inappropriate, only that they’re not neutral in the workplace. I don’t mind the art. My kids have similar art. I still wouldn’t hang it on my office wall. If you want to, you should, and see if everyone at your work likes it. I was only trying to add explanation and specificity to my comment precisely because of comments like yours pretending incredulously that there’s absolutely nothing to discuss, and attacking me with ad-hominems.
    - mixmastamyk 4y ago
      You should check your comment history if you’re honestly surprised. I found at least one comment offensive. As I do general puritanism.

jeroenhd 4y ago

"a little bit weird" is a pretty low bar to cross. Enough to maybe go "huh okay", but nowhere close to NSFW. Your average news site carries ads more NSFW than this and most people still browse the web without ad blockers. Why would the gender of the mascot even matter? Would it be better if the mascot was male?

dahart 4y ago
Depends entirely on your definition of “safe”. And yes my very point was that a little bit weird is a low bar to cross, and yet it’s still crossing a bar. That is exactly why the parent said “semi” NSFW. I don’t browse news sites at work for the same reason. Hey if you want your boss and co-workers to see you with “huh okay” stuff on your screen, and have no concern you might slowly lose on promotions or get HR complaints, then knock yourself out. Speaking only personally, I don’t want anyone in my office to feel uncomfortable with what’s on my screen or desk. The gender doesn’t matter. It would be just as weird if it was an ambiguously young looking male child/teenager with emphasized anatomy under tight clothing. I would definitely also avoid having that on my monitor or desk.