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As a long-time user and supporter of Krita, I'm thrilled to see it mentioned here. However, I must express my concern about the choice of emphasizing "FREE" in

As a long-time user and supporter of Krita, I'm thrilled to see it mentioned here. However, I must express my concern about the choice of emphasizing "FREE" in all caps in this headline. While I understand that the cost-free nature of open-source software is certainly appealing, I feel that this particular framing could cheapen the overall value proposition of Krita. Krita has much more to offer than just being free. It's a powerful and versatile painting program, developed by a dedicated team of professionals and volunteers who have worked tirelessly to make it an excellent tool for digital artists. The software offers a wide range of features, including an intuitive user interface, advanced brush engines, and robust layering capabilities. These strengths are what truly set Krita apart and should be the primary focus when promoting it. By emphasizing the "FREE" aspect in all caps, the headline may inadvertently detract from these strengths and create the perception that Krita's most significant selling point is its price tag, rather than its outstanding functionality and features. I would suggest presenting Krita as a "professional open-source painting program" without the all-caps emphasis on "FREE," so that the conversation around it can focus more on its capabilities and the value it brings to the creative community. Again, I wholeheartedly support Krita and am grateful for the fantastic work that has been put into it. I hope this critique is received in the caring and thoughtful spirit in which it was intended, as my goal is to ensure that Krita receives the recognition and appreciation it truly deserves.

newah1 3y ago
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- raincole 3y ago
  It reads like someone intentionally mimicked ChatGPT's style lol.
- no_time 3y ago
  According to https://www.zerogpt.com/ https://www.zerogpt.com/ your parent comment is 56.49% likely to be generated by ChatGPT.
- jkepler 3y ago
  Did you run generate this comment using social-comments-GPT? https://social-comments-gpt.com/ https://social-comments-gpt.com/ Just because someone's post is clear, well-structured, and includes a final recap doesn't mean it was AI-generated. Then again, maybe I'm a cat using CatGPT.
- loloquwowndueo 3y ago
  No, it didn’t use the word “overall”.
  - newah1 3y ago
    "and be sure not to use the word 'overall'"
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  The worst thing about AI becoming common is people accusing each other of having used AI to generate their work for them, when it probably isn't the case.
RobotToaster 3y ago
"“Free software” means software that respects users' freedom and community. Roughly, it means that the users have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. Thus, “free software” is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer.” We sometimes call it “libre software,” borrowing the French or Spanish word for “free” as in freedom, to show we do not mean the software is gratis. " https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  Almost no one uses the term that way, though. Certainly not the vast majority of possible users.
- elicash 3y ago
  This is entirely unrelated to Krita, but on the "free beer" mention: I had heard free as in beer, and also free as in puppies. But two that I heard recently and loved that make different points: Free as in mattress, and free as in piano.
  - blauditore 3y ago
    There's also free as in Jazz, but we're digressing quite far from the topic here.
  - birdyrooster 3y ago
    Stealing this
  - SahAssar 3y ago
    > Free as in mattress, and free as in piano I don't get it, could you explain?
    - sigstoat 3y ago
      the mattress could be infected with bedbugs. and a piano that's been unmaintained for enough decades isn't an instrument any more, and never will be. and disposing of them is expensive. they have negative value, despite not costing any money.
acomjean 3y ago
There is an android version that works on my samsung. While it’s very “desktop”ish it’s amazing with the sylus. The brushes are fantastic allow quickly painting grass and leaves.
pdntspa 3y ago
FREE is super important. There's lots of people in the world who can barely afford their computers, let alone the software to run on it. Personally I launched my career from a self-education that made heavy use of pirated and open-source software. I would never have been able to buy software without that start.
- IYasha 3y ago
  Amen to that.
anyfactor 3y ago
We have the same situation at work. We have a couple of fantastic "free" data products that should have a price tag of hundreds of dollars. I personally mention "Open access enterprise ready data" but it doesn't have the same "oomph" as saying it is free. The product is shared under CC-BY-SA and we geniunely treat it as an enterprise level product with no compromise. But yeah the keyword "free" does dilute the percieved quality of the product.
kzrdude 3y ago
Why is free the only word that's consistently spelled in all uppercase? All throughout commercial text. It is kind of tacky at this point.
- FormerBandmate 3y ago
  Emulating tacky sleazy ads that have a fine print where you pay $10,000 every day and sell your soul to Satan.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  It is a bit weird. Although, I don’t see “FREE” all that often (other than this case). I see “Free” more often, which I take as making the free as in liberated, not free as in zero cost distinction.
robomartin 3y ago
> As a long-time user and supporter of Krita, How does Krita compare to GIMP?
- raincole 3y ago
  No the parent comment but I can answer this. They're quite different. Krita is more about digital painting and GIMP is more about photo processing. If you're familiar with CSP and Photoshop, Krita is more like CSP and GIMP is more like Photoshop. Specifically, Krita has a much more sophisticated brush engine.
  - ruuda 3y ago
    Even for light photo editing and making memes and such, I much prefer Krita over Gimp. I find the interface more straightforward to use. (And in terms of features I prefer Photopea over both, but unfortunately it's not free software.)
  - robomartin 3y ago
    Thanks, checking it out.
hellofriends1 3y ago
> the choice of emphasizing "FREE" in all caps in this headline. You’re welcome to fork it and try to sell it if you think that’s such a great idea. Anyway are you going to blame the user? I will. It sucks people pay for a $3 coffee or a cigs or chips not software they use for even 10s. Maybe figure out a way to make software physiologically addictive like coffee tobacco and junk food, and you can bypass the two decades of cultural programming of 4b people to value intangibles at 0.
- Rayhem 3y ago
  > You’re welcome to fork it and try to sell it if you think that’s such a great idea. Emphasis mine. Are you implying the OP shouldn't raise these ideas? Have you ever had a complaint about a user interface in your car? You are, after all, free to build your own and design it how you like. They saw something they thought could be improved, provided a rational explanation of why they think a change should at least be considered, and did so in a manner that's very respectful of both the software and the people who developed it. So this comment feels more than a little...reductive to me. Moreover, I don't read their commentary as suggesting the software shouldn't be free, merely that its price tag shouldn't be the loudest and most prominent selling point. It's a well-known psychological phenomenon that people want things they think are valuable, so putting a $5 sign on the furniture you're trying to give away makes it more likely to go.
egypturnash 3y ago
It's a powerful and versatile painting program, developed by a dedicated team of professionals and volunteers who have worked tirelessly to make it an excellent tool for digital artists. The software offers a wide range of features, including an intuitive user interface, advanced brush engines, and robust layering capabilities. These strengths are what truly set Krita apart and should be the primary focus when promoting it. This is table stakes for a paint program. Right now all versions of Manga Studio/Clip Studio are $25. Possibly more for the super deluxe version, I'm not sure if it's just currently also $25 or permanently $25. Procreate is $12. ArtRage is $5-80. All of these tools have an "intuitive user interface, advanced brush engines, and robust layering capabilities". All are developed by dedicated teams of pros who have been working to make them excellent tools for digital artists for many years. Krita is available for free; Krita is partially built by volunteers. These are the only parts of the paragraph I quoted that do not apply to the other tools I cited. There's lots more tools in this space, too; I just listed a few things I see a lot of my pro artist friends using.
- Pxtl 3y ago
  Clip is yearly on Android/iOS, one-time on Win/MacOS.
  - egypturnash 3y ago
    I think there's something going on with an upcoming subscription to updates for Clip on desktops, too? Some of my Clip-using friends were screaming about it a while back.
MSFT_Edging 3y ago
I recommended Krita to my wife for digital drawing, and Krita stands ahead in the realm of "open source software that is usable by non-maintainers". Maintainers used loosely as people who participate in the community, filing bug reports and providing forum support. If you look at something like FreeCAD, equally powerful but not nearly as user friendly, you need to want to use FreeCAD specifically. With Krita, you just need to want to paint. Its incredibly user friendly for someone with zero experience.
- musicale 3y ago
  One thing I like about Krita is that it has Mac and Windows versions which aren't terribly clunky.

newah1 3y ago

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raincole 3y ago
It reads like someone intentionally mimicked ChatGPT's style lol.
no_time 3y ago
According to https://www.zerogpt.com/ https://www.zerogpt.com/ your parent comment is 56.49% likely to be generated by ChatGPT.
jkepler 3y ago
Did you run generate this comment using social-comments-GPT? https://social-comments-gpt.com/ https://social-comments-gpt.com/ Just because someone's post is clear, well-structured, and includes a final recap doesn't mean it was AI-generated. Then again, maybe I'm a cat using CatGPT.
loloquwowndueo 3y ago
No, it didn’t use the word “overall”.
- newah1 3y ago
  "and be sure not to use the word 'overall'"
PrimeMcFly 3y ago
The worst thing about AI becoming common is people accusing each other of having used AI to generate their work for them, when it probably isn't the case.

RobotToaster 3y ago

"“Free software” means software that respects users' freedom and community. Roughly, it means that the users have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. Thus, “free software” is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer.” We sometimes call it “libre software,” borrowing the French or Spanish word for “free” as in freedom, to show we do not mean the software is gratis. " https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

dontlaugh 3y ago
Almost no one uses the term that way, though. Certainly not the vast majority of possible users.
elicash 3y ago
This is entirely unrelated to Krita, but on the "free beer" mention: I had heard free as in beer, and also free as in puppies. But two that I heard recently and loved that make different points: Free as in mattress, and free as in piano.
- blauditore 3y ago
  There's also free as in Jazz, but we're digressing quite far from the topic here.
- birdyrooster 3y ago
  Stealing this
- SahAssar 3y ago
  > Free as in mattress, and free as in piano I don't get it, could you explain?
  - sigstoat 3y ago
    the mattress could be infected with bedbugs. and a piano that's been unmaintained for enough decades isn't an instrument any more, and never will be. and disposing of them is expensive. they have negative value, despite not costing any money.

acomjean 3y ago

There is an android version that works on my samsung. While it’s very “desktop”ish it’s amazing with the sylus. The brushes are fantastic allow quickly painting grass and leaves.

pdntspa 3y ago

FREE is super important. There's lots of people in the world who can barely afford their computers, let alone the software to run on it. Personally I launched my career from a self-education that made heavy use of pirated and open-source software. I would never have been able to buy software without that start.

IYasha 3y ago
Amen to that.

anyfactor 3y ago

We have the same situation at work. We have a couple of fantastic "free" data products that should have a price tag of hundreds of dollars. I personally mention "Open access enterprise ready data" but it doesn't have the same "oomph" as saying it is free. The product is shared under CC-BY-SA and we geniunely treat it as an enterprise level product with no compromise. But yeah the keyword "free" does dilute the percieved quality of the product.

kzrdude 3y ago

Why is free the only word that's consistently spelled in all uppercase? All throughout commercial text. It is kind of tacky at this point.

FormerBandmate 3y ago
Emulating tacky sleazy ads that have a fine print where you pay $10,000 every day and sell your soul to Satan.
bee_rider 3y ago
It is a bit weird. Although, I don’t see “FREE” all that often (other than this case). I see “Free” more often, which I take as making the free as in liberated, not free as in zero cost distinction.

robomartin 3y ago

> As a long-time user and supporter of Krita, How does Krita compare to GIMP?

raincole 3y ago
No the parent comment but I can answer this. They're quite different. Krita is more about digital painting and GIMP is more about photo processing. If you're familiar with CSP and Photoshop, Krita is more like CSP and GIMP is more like Photoshop. Specifically, Krita has a much more sophisticated brush engine.
- ruuda 3y ago
  Even for light photo editing and making memes and such, I much prefer Krita over Gimp. I find the interface more straightforward to use. (And in terms of features I prefer Photopea over both, but unfortunately it's not free software.)
- robomartin 3y ago
  Thanks, checking it out.

hellofriends1 3y ago

> the choice of emphasizing "FREE" in all caps in this headline. You’re welcome to fork it and try to sell it if you think that’s such a great idea. Anyway are you going to blame the user? I will. It sucks people pay for a $3 coffee or a cigs or chips not software they use for even 10s. Maybe figure out a way to make software physiologically addictive like coffee tobacco and junk food, and you can bypass the two decades of cultural programming of 4b people to value intangibles at 0.

Rayhem 3y ago
> You’re welcome to fork it and try to sell it if you think that’s such a great idea. Emphasis mine. Are you implying the OP shouldn't raise these ideas? Have you ever had a complaint about a user interface in your car? You are, after all, free to build your own and design it how you like. They saw something they thought could be improved, provided a rational explanation of why they think a change should at least be considered, and did so in a manner that's very respectful of both the software and the people who developed it. So this comment feels more than a little...reductive to me. Moreover, I don't read their commentary as suggesting the software shouldn't be free, merely that its price tag shouldn't be the loudest and most prominent selling point. It's a well-known psychological phenomenon that people want things they think are valuable, so putting a $5 sign on the furniture you're trying to give away makes it more likely to go.

egypturnash 3y ago

It's a powerful and versatile painting program, developed by a dedicated team of professionals and volunteers who have worked tirelessly to make it an excellent tool for digital artists. The software offers a wide range of features, including an intuitive user interface, advanced brush engines, and robust layering capabilities. These strengths are what truly set Krita apart and should be the primary focus when promoting it. This is table stakes for a paint program. Right now all versions of Manga Studio/Clip Studio are $25. Possibly more for the super deluxe version, I'm not sure if it's just currently also $25 or permanently $25. Procreate is $12. ArtRage is $5-80. All of these tools have an "intuitive user interface, advanced brush engines, and robust layering capabilities". All are developed by dedicated teams of pros who have been working to make them excellent tools for digital artists for many years. Krita is available for free; Krita is partially built by volunteers. These are the only parts of the paragraph I quoted that do not apply to the other tools I cited. There's lots more tools in this space, too; I just listed a few things I see a lot of my pro artist friends using.

Pxtl 3y ago
Clip is yearly on Android/iOS, one-time on Win/MacOS.
- egypturnash 3y ago
  I think there's something going on with an upcoming subscription to updates for Clip on desktops, too? Some of my Clip-using friends were screaming about it a while back.

MSFT_Edging 3y ago

I recommended Krita to my wife for digital drawing, and Krita stands ahead in the realm of "open source software that is usable by non-maintainers". Maintainers used loosely as people who participate in the community, filing bug reports and providing forum support. If you look at something like FreeCAD, equally powerful but not nearly as user friendly, you need to want to use FreeCAD specifically. With Krita, you just need to want to paint. Its incredibly user friendly for someone with zero experience.

musicale 3y ago
One thing I like about Krita is that it has Mac and Windows versions which aren't terribly clunky.