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Customers pay restaurant employee wages anyway, so I'm not sure I understand what model "makes no sense" exactly. Tipping is a way to create a direct feedback b

Customers pay restaurant employee wages anyway, so I'm not sure I understand what model "makes no sense" exactly. Tipping is a way to create a direct feedback between customer, and server, and as such it makes a lot of sense. I guess in States it went a bit farther than that because cultural norm makes you feel obliged to tip, but as long as you still can choose how many - it works. Now, if POS doesn't let you choose arbitrary amount it's a problem with POS/cashless society/banks, and not with tipping.

Ekaros 3y ago
Is such direct feedback loop needed? In other places we simply stop buying product or using certain business if possible and things sort itself out. Or we could give feedback by internet forms or something else.
- brokenkebaby 3y ago
  For me personally it's a nice way to build, and manage relations with people serving me food in cafes I frequent. Works for me.
zihotki 3y ago
Do you also tip your bank, hospital, public services, or governmental agencies? They also provide you a service.
- brokenkebaby 3y ago
  No, and?
cosmotic 3y ago
The jury is out on the efficacy of the feedback loop.
drewcoo 3y ago
> Tipping is a way to create a direct feedback between customer, and server I'd much rather send feedback to the managers. They control the entire experience. Are there any restaurants that pay management $2/hr and let the customers tip them up to living wage levels?
- brokenkebaby 3y ago
  >I'd much rather send feedback to the managers. They control the entire experience. It's a very naive view not only of restaurant operations, but of the human world as whole. >Are there any restaurants that pay management $2/hr and let the customers tip them up to living wage levels? This is an interesting question which has no relation to tipping. It seems that in the US tips make most of what server earns - it's not the rule everywhere. However, I'm not in position to judge which way is better (e.g. where a good server really earns more). Nevertheless, money paid to servers come from customers, and you have to pay more if you want to make servers earn more. It can be called "tips", and be a choice in a range, or it can be hardcoded into prices (with some administrative overhead, of course). I'm not a fan of administrative overheads, but YMMV.

Ekaros 3y ago

Is such direct feedback loop needed? In other places we simply stop buying product or using certain business if possible and things sort itself out. Or we could give feedback by internet forms or something else.

brokenkebaby 3y ago
For me personally it's a nice way to build, and manage relations with people serving me food in cafes I frequent. Works for me.

zihotki 3y ago

Do you also tip your bank, hospital, public services, or governmental agencies? They also provide you a service.

brokenkebaby 3y ago
No, and?

cosmotic 3y ago

The jury is out on the efficacy of the feedback loop.

drewcoo 3y ago

> Tipping is a way to create a direct feedback between customer, and server I'd much rather send feedback to the managers. They control the entire experience. Are there any restaurants that pay management $2/hr and let the customers tip them up to living wage levels?

brokenkebaby 3y ago
>I'd much rather send feedback to the managers. They control the entire experience. It's a very naive view not only of restaurant operations, but of the human world as whole. >Are there any restaurants that pay management $2/hr and let the customers tip them up to living wage levels? This is an interesting question which has no relation to tipping. It seems that in the US tips make most of what server earns - it's not the rule everywhere. However, I'm not in position to judge which way is better (e.g. where a good server really earns more). Nevertheless, money paid to servers come from customers, and you have to pay more if you want to make servers earn more. It can be called "tips", and be a choice in a range, or it can be hardcoded into prices (with some administrative overhead, of course). I'm not a fan of administrative overheads, but YMMV.