3 ms·

Where i live gambling is tightly controlled and requires government id due to money laundering laws. A sad side effect is a scheme were poor people sell their i

Where i live gambling is tightly controlled and requires government id due to money laundering laws. A sad side effect is a scheme were poor people sell their identity to organisations "gambling" on their behalf, trading an intangible future risk for hard present cash. Even today most chatgpt answers aren't posted by chatgpt on the social networks, but echoed by humans. Considering how much access people are willing to grant any bullshit app, your whole concept of using a government PKI for social networks would just lead to more people getting their id stolen, while running a bot on their profile. But you probably consider these prolls acceptable losses, as long as technology is implemented that allows the ministry of truth a tight control over party members who actually matter. Because the Orwell comparison is not a false dichotomy, as you claim, communication technology is a key battlefield in the tug of war between totalitarianism and liberalism. You keep repeating that you are not in favor of outlawing non-government-certified speech, but you fail to understand that, even if not outlawed, it would be marginalised. Take note how the totalitarians keep repeating their proposals to break all encryption and listen to all communication. Even if you may not want it, they do. The path to hell is paved with good intentions and yours isn't even good. I also notice how you hope "fear" does sway public opinion to favor your concepts. Are you sure you are not playing for team evil?

williamcotton 3y ago
“Acceptable losses”? Totalitarians promise water filtration facilities for their citizens as well. Should we also question that infrastructure? Police can obtain a warrant for searching your premises. Should we do away with this because of how this procedure would unfold under a totalitarian government? The root cause of your concerns is poverty. We can address that with other policies. We don’t need throw the baby out with the bath water.
- Jon_Lowtek 3y ago
  Water filtration is not a key enablement tech for totalitarianism, tightly controlling who says what in communication is.
  - williamcotton 3y ago
    I never argued for tightly controlling information. Let 4chan and EFnet do their thing. But at least allow for people to build platforms that are non-anonymous. There is a cost to anonymity and it is never paid for by the person who is expressing themselves. Also, a water filtration plant could introduce psychotropic chemicals to placate a populace, so don’t let your guard down!
    - Jon_Lowtek 3y ago
      No one is preventing companies from building platforms that are non-anonymous. What you argue for is that the government requires them and that society marginalises those who don't use them. And that sounds a lot like your core belief is that a big brother knows best and should control the other kids. And no, this is not about the government making digital auth easier. I am from europa, i have en eID card with a government issued private key. No one cares, unless there is regulation enforcing it. The demand to link social media to government issued identity is pretty much only coming from the siloviki, the law-and-order types, who talk accountability but want control.
      - williamcotton 3y ago
        Private companies cannot reliably verify personhood. This is a fundamental role of liberal democratic government. My core belief is that our concept of individuality resides on a shared framework. We already require many forms of identification in modern society. It is what allows for trusting interactions with strangers at a distance. We are currently suffering immensely from unknowable and untrustworthy interactions with strangers at a distance. This is the only way we can currently interact on the internet. As I point out in the latter of my articles, try to social engineer an employee at the DMV and see how far that gets you! Private companies can be socially engineered because they need to be kind and helpful to their customers. The person behind the counter at the DMV is only trying to move you along as quick as possible because they are in service to the state. In this case, this is a good thing!
        3y ago

williamcotton 3y ago

“Acceptable losses”? Totalitarians promise water filtration facilities for their citizens as well. Should we also question that infrastructure? Police can obtain a warrant for searching your premises. Should we do away with this because of how this procedure would unfold under a totalitarian government? The root cause of your concerns is poverty. We can address that with other policies. We don’t need throw the baby out with the bath water.

Jon_Lowtek 3y ago
Water filtration is not a key enablement tech for totalitarianism, tightly controlling who says what in communication is.
- williamcotton 3y ago
  I never argued for tightly controlling information. Let 4chan and EFnet do their thing. But at least allow for people to build platforms that are non-anonymous. There is a cost to anonymity and it is never paid for by the person who is expressing themselves. Also, a water filtration plant could introduce psychotropic chemicals to placate a populace, so don’t let your guard down!
  - Jon_Lowtek 3y ago
    No one is preventing companies from building platforms that are non-anonymous. What you argue for is that the government requires them and that society marginalises those who don't use them. And that sounds a lot like your core belief is that a big brother knows best and should control the other kids. And no, this is not about the government making digital auth easier. I am from europa, i have en eID card with a government issued private key. No one cares, unless there is regulation enforcing it. The demand to link social media to government issued identity is pretty much only coming from the siloviki, the law-and-order types, who talk accountability but want control.
    - williamcotton 3y ago
      Private companies cannot reliably verify personhood. This is a fundamental role of liberal democratic government. My core belief is that our concept of individuality resides on a shared framework. We already require many forms of identification in modern society. It is what allows for trusting interactions with strangers at a distance. We are currently suffering immensely from unknowable and untrustworthy interactions with strangers at a distance. This is the only way we can currently interact on the internet. As I point out in the latter of my articles, try to social engineer an employee at the DMV and see how far that gets you! Private companies can be socially engineered because they need to be kind and helpful to their customers. The person behind the counter at the DMV is only trying to move you along as quick as possible because they are in service to the state. In this case, this is a good thing!
      - 3y ago