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By the same logic, all the Black Sea nations depend on the goodwill of Turkey to let them pass to the Aegean. Are they landlocked? No. Are Azerbaidjan and Turkm
by petre 4y ago
By the same logic, all the Black Sea nations depend on the goodwill of Turkey to let them pass to the Aegean. Are they landlocked? No. Are Azerbaidjan and Turkmenistan landlocked, even tough they have access to the Caspian Sea? Maybe if it's a water body that somehow connects to an ocean, then it's not landlocked.
- jvanderbot 4y agoThe black sea is a sea. Minnesota has no seas. Minnesota has lakes, which are also landlocked, and rivers which lead to the sea, but it abuts no sea.
- petre 4y agoSo, the same as the Caspian (actually better because they connect to the ocean through rivers), only freshwater. By the same logic the Caspian Sea is a saltwater lake.
- jltsiren 4y agoThe legal status of the Caspian Sea is a bit weird. It's something between a lake and a sea. It's not a sea, because Russia wants to maintain control over the system of rivers and canals that connect it to the Black Sea, the Baltic Sea, and the White Sea. And it's not a lake, because it's not fully divided between the bordering countries.
- ninkendo 4y agoMinnesota's lakes are not landlocked. It borders Lake Superior, and shipping from the great lakes into the ocean is very very much a thing.
- jvanderbot 4y agoThey are landlocked by the definition of being a lake and not a sea. Landlocked doesn't mean "does not connect to the sea", because so many lakes and rivers connect to the sea. A lake is a lake by virtue of not being a sea. And a land mass is landlocked by virtue of not having a border that is a seafront.
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- zoklet-enjoyer 4y agoAs stated by others, you can get to the Atlantic from Lake Superior. But also, I think of Superior as a freshwater sea so I doubly think Minnesota isn't landlocked
- jvanderbot 4y agoLandlocked means "does not have a border that is a seafront". There's some opinions about it, but that's the definition. And for the curious a sea is a part of the ocean, by some geologic definitions including seabed and salt water, even if it becomes closed off, and a lake never was part of the sea.
- Gibbon1 4y agoI think there is a canal the Soviets built to allow shipping in the Caspian to reach the Black Sea.
- jltsiren 4y agoThat would be the case without any international treaties. Turkey has the physical ability to block the Bosporus and the Dardanneles, but modern Turkey has never had the right to do so. The Treaty of Lausanne (1923) demilitarized the straits and and opened them to any traffic under the supervision of the League of Nations. After the political situation in Europe changed, the Montreux Convention (1936) granted Turkey limited sovereignty over them.
- dmurray 4y agoModern Turkey has the limited right to block passage of warships through the Bosphorus, a right which it is most notably exercising right now, during the war in Ukraine. The Montreux Convention does not allow Turkey absolute discretion here [0], but international law is really about practicalities rather than theory. [0] https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/01/turkey-black-sea-straits-russia-ships-ukraine-war/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/01/turkey-black-sea-strait...