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I wouldn't really call Minnesota landlocked
by zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
I wouldn't really call Minnesota landlocked
- drewcoo 4y agohttps://www.worldatlas.com/articles/landlocked-states-of-the-united-states.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/landlocked-states-of-the...
- George83728 4y agoUsually rivers don't count against 'landlocked'. It does seem a bit silly though, there's a ton of ship traffic on the Great Lakes and through the St. Lawrence River to the Atlantic.
- dhosek 4y agoMinnesota also borders on Lake Superior, but it does raise the question of how big the body of water needs to be to disqualify a geographical entity as landlocked.
- pintxo 4y agoIsn’t the concept of „landlocked“ usually referring to your ability to do trade at scale with the rest of the world without being dependent on the goodwill of some other actor? Seems Minnesota would still depend on the goodwill of whoever controls the waterways between the Great Lakes and the Atlantic. So they are still landlocked.
- petre 4y agoBy the same logic, all the Black Sea nations depend on the goodwill of Turkey to let them pass to the Aegean. Are they landlocked? No. Are Azerbaidjan and Turkmenistan landlocked, even tough they have access to the Caspian Sea? Maybe if it's a water body that somehow connects to an ocean, then it's not landlocked.
- jvanderbot 4y agoThe black sea is a sea. Minnesota has no seas. Minnesota has lakes, which are also landlocked, and rivers which lead to the sea, but it abuts no sea.
- petre 4y agoSo, the same as the Caspian (actually better because they connect to the ocean through rivers), only freshwater. By the same logic the Caspian Sea is a saltwater lake.
- jltsiren 4y agoThe legal status of the Caspian Sea is a bit weird. It's something between a lake and a sea. It's not a sea, because Russia wants to maintain control over the system of rivers and canals that connect it to the Black Sea, the Baltic Sea, and the White Sea. And it's not a lake, because it's not fully divided between the bordering countries.
- ninkendo 4y agoMinnesota's lakes are not landlocked. It borders Lake Superior, and shipping from the great lakes into the ocean is very very much a thing.
- jvanderbot 4y agoThey are landlocked by the definition of being a lake and not a sea. Landlocked doesn't mean "does not connect to the sea", because so many lakes and rivers connect to the sea. A lake is a lake by virtue of not being a sea. And a land mass is landlocked by virtue of not having a border that is a seafront.
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- zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
- George83728 4y agoNote that international trade is possible using just the Great Lakes, without needing the St Lawrence River, since the lakes are next to Canada.
- pintxo 4y agoCanada != Rest of the world.