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You mean 2 of 5 and those 2 still involve the EU spying on it's allies, right? So all 5 examples of the EU spying on its allies a thing that you said there was

You mean 2 of 5 and those 2 still involve the EU spying on it's allies, right? So all 5 examples of the EU spying on its allies a thing that you said there was "no proof whatsoever" of? I never said that the US is or isn't a positive net on the world: I said that spying isn't evidence of your point. Because by your definition no country is positive net on the world.

penneallagricia 3y ago
> I never said that the US is or isn't a positive net on the world: I said that spying isn't evidence of your point. Because by your definition no country is positive net on the world. Spoken like a true devil's advocate. Apparently you have no opinion, you just want to refute mine. The fervor with which you scrambled for evidence to only tangentially counter my argument suggests me otherwise, but oh well. If all you want is evidence that the US is currently not a positive net for the world, you just need to look at the work CIA has done. You won't find anything comparable on any other country. And the fact that every nation has secret services means nothing. It's how powerful those services are and what they are used for. By the way you realize that other countries being bad doesn't make the US any better? If nothing you're helping me prove that NATO altogether is a band of criminals, which I might have to thank you for, afterall.
- nullityrofl 3y ago
  > Apparently you have no opinion, you just want to refute mine. I do have a point, you just don't like it. The point is thus: Europe spies on their allies and enemies just as much as the United States does. > You won't find anything comparable on any other country. And the fact that every nation has secret services means nothing. I think you may have forgotten that Russia exists. > By the way you realize that other countries being bad doesn't make the US any better? I never said it does. I said that spying on other countries isn't the deciding factor.
  - penneallagricia 3y ago
    > Europe spies on their allies and enemies just as much as the United States does. "Just as much" is simply false, as the extent and scope of USA espionage is unrivaled in Europe. > I said that spying on other countries isn't the deciding factor. Spying per se might be not, the intent behind it clearly does tho. You might spy to exert your power over or disrupt another country, or you might spy as a precautionary measure. We all know which country has the goal to make the world unipolar. > I think you may have forgotten that Russia exists. I obviously didn't, and I still believe Russia foreign interference isn't comparable with what the US has done.

penneallagricia 3y ago

> I never said that the US is or isn't a positive net on the world: I said that spying isn't evidence of your point. Because by your definition no country is positive net on the world. Spoken like a true devil's advocate. Apparently you have no opinion, you just want to refute mine. The fervor with which you scrambled for evidence to only tangentially counter my argument suggests me otherwise, but oh well. If all you want is evidence that the US is currently not a positive net for the world, you just need to look at the work CIA has done. You won't find anything comparable on any other country. And the fact that every nation has secret services means nothing. It's how powerful those services are and what they are used for. By the way you realize that other countries being bad doesn't make the US any better? If nothing you're helping me prove that NATO altogether is a band of criminals, which I might have to thank you for, afterall.

nullityrofl 3y ago
> Apparently you have no opinion, you just want to refute mine. I do have a point, you just don't like it. The point is thus: Europe spies on their allies and enemies just as much as the United States does. > You won't find anything comparable on any other country. And the fact that every nation has secret services means nothing. I think you may have forgotten that Russia exists. > By the way you realize that other countries being bad doesn't make the US any better? I never said it does. I said that spying on other countries isn't the deciding factor.
- penneallagricia 3y ago
  > Europe spies on their allies and enemies just as much as the United States does. "Just as much" is simply false, as the extent and scope of USA espionage is unrivaled in Europe. > I said that spying on other countries isn't the deciding factor. Spying per se might be not, the intent behind it clearly does tho. You might spy to exert your power over or disrupt another country, or you might spy as a precautionary measure. We all know which country has the goal to make the world unipolar. > I think you may have forgotten that Russia exists. I obviously didn't, and I still believe Russia foreign interference isn't comparable with what the US has done.