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I'm sorry - hours of doing what exactly? Ok computer took two months of mixing, and some time for the mastering. 80% of it were live takes. What's the AI suppo

by dmbche 4y ago

I'm sorry - hours of doing what exactly? Ok computer took two months of mixing, and some time for the mastering. 80% of it were live takes. What's the AI supposed to do?

Swizec 4y ago
The 2 months of mixing
- dmbche 4y ago
  I don't know what to tell you brother, two months of mixing is very doable for humans beings... As it was done by two people to make OK Computer? I don't think having an AI will change much for your music production if 2 months of mixing is too much work. Don't even know what you'd ask it to do - you'd probably have to readjust it until it's the way you want it...it would probably take the same time don't you think?
  - Swizec 4y ago
    So we’re talking about democratizing production yeah? Imagine I’m a schmuck who can croon into a microphone. It’s just me. I have a dayjob because this is a hobby. “Just a quick 2 months of work” is a total nonstarter. I’ll just keep crooning in the shower “Just 2 months, it’s not a lot” is like telling someone “Oh cleaning the house is easy, just ask your maid”
    - dmbche 4y ago
      Well we're talking about making a record like OK Computer. It's a work of art, it takes time and intent and attention to details. If you want to record a couple jazz songs for kicks you can very easily and satisfactorily do this today, for very little money (just higher up this thread people have recommended great tools) and it will be higher quality that what was playing on the radio in the 90s. And I'd argue that if you were as good a crooner as Radiohead are -eh- experimental musicians, I'm sure you'd find the time to make an album that would make yourself rich. Sorry I'm a little ranty - gonna get a drink I guess You don't need two months of mixing for your crooner album. You can mix it yourself on the weekend and be 80% there. Like the guy that did Tubular Bells keep re-recording it because it's not good enough for him - but I'm fine with the version he first produced. AI isn't going to change anything here.
      - steppi 4y ago
        I get it, but I see so many possibilities here. Fitter Happier and Climbing up the Walls have string arrangements performed by an orchestra. Can you imagine writing a score and spinning up a virtual orchestra to play it? There are so many subtleties in phrasing, dynamics, and intonation that make the difference between just Ok and excellent. It doesn’t seem impossible to imagine giving your score to your virtual musicians and communicating with them in natural language and hummed phrases in an iterative process until they get things just right. You’d have to agree this would be democratizing, right?
        dmbche 4y ago
        I guess it is. Kind of like being able to talk to an AI and have it make a movie out of it. Thanks for the chat!
      - skinnymuch 4y ago
        A lot of time and attention can still be spent with 2 months if AI can do a lot of it. OKC is one of the best Albums of all time imo. But it’s also one of the most popular ones in my own list. So not like all the other works of art for music I come across requiring such intense amt of human labor put in. The capital wouldn’t be there. Capital means capitalism. Which isn’t democratic.

by dmbche 4y ago

I'm sorry - hours of doing what exactly? Ok computer took two months of mixing, and some time for the mastering. 80% of it were live takes. What's the AI supposed to do?

Swizec 4y ago

The 2 months of mixing

dmbche 4y ago
I don't know what to tell you brother, two months of mixing is very doable for humans beings... As it was done by two people to make OK Computer? I don't think having an AI will change much for your music production if 2 months of mixing is too much work. Don't even know what you'd ask it to do - you'd probably have to readjust it until it's the way you want it...it would probably take the same time don't you think?
- Swizec 4y ago
  So we’re talking about democratizing production yeah? Imagine I’m a schmuck who can croon into a microphone. It’s just me. I have a dayjob because this is a hobby. “Just a quick 2 months of work” is a total nonstarter. I’ll just keep crooning in the shower “Just 2 months, it’s not a lot” is like telling someone “Oh cleaning the house is easy, just ask your maid”
  - dmbche 4y ago
    Well we're talking about making a record like OK Computer. It's a work of art, it takes time and intent and attention to details. If you want to record a couple jazz songs for kicks you can very easily and satisfactorily do this today, for very little money (just higher up this thread people have recommended great tools) and it will be higher quality that what was playing on the radio in the 90s. And I'd argue that if you were as good a crooner as Radiohead are -eh- experimental musicians, I'm sure you'd find the time to make an album that would make yourself rich. Sorry I'm a little ranty - gonna get a drink I guess You don't need two months of mixing for your crooner album. You can mix it yourself on the weekend and be 80% there. Like the guy that did Tubular Bells keep re-recording it because it's not good enough for him - but I'm fine with the version he first produced. AI isn't going to change anything here.
    - steppi 4y ago
      I get it, but I see so many possibilities here. Fitter Happier and Climbing up the Walls have string arrangements performed by an orchestra. Can you imagine writing a score and spinning up a virtual orchestra to play it? There are so many subtleties in phrasing, dynamics, and intonation that make the difference between just Ok and excellent. It doesn’t seem impossible to imagine giving your score to your virtual musicians and communicating with them in natural language and hummed phrases in an iterative process until they get things just right. You’d have to agree this would be democratizing, right?
      - dmbche 4y ago
        I guess it is. Kind of like being able to talk to an AI and have it make a movie out of it. Thanks for the chat!
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      A lot of time and attention can still be spent with 2 months if AI can do a lot of it. OKC is one of the best Albums of all time imo. But it’s also one of the most popular ones in my own list. So not like all the other works of art for music I come across requiring such intense amt of human labor put in. The capital wouldn’t be there. Capital means capitalism. Which isn’t democratic.