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What do you think the AI could do that you couldn't by searching the web? And is the difference between the hypothetical bedroom-produced version of the same R

by dmbche 4y ago

What do you think the AI could do that you couldn't by searching the web? And is the difference between the hypothetical bedroom-produced version of the same Radiohead album and the actual album actually that noticeable? I work in film/video, and you definitely can produce something that would have cost millions of dollars 10 years ago by yourself, with minimal costs. I struggle to compare the scale of engineering needed to make albums versus movies.

Swizec 4y ago
> What do you think the AI could do that you couldn't by searching the web? Create enough hours in the day to do the work. No amount of skill or knowledge will get me over the hump that it takes hundreds, maybe thousands, of person hours to produce a Radiohead album.
- dmbche 4y ago
  I'm sorry - hours of doing what exactly? Ok computer took two months of mixing, and some time for the mastering. 80% of it were live takes. What's the AI supposed to do?
  - Swizec 4y ago
    The 2 months of mixing
    - dmbche 4y ago
      I don't know what to tell you brother, two months of mixing is very doable for humans beings... As it was done by two people to make OK Computer? I don't think having an AI will change much for your music production if 2 months of mixing is too much work. Don't even know what you'd ask it to do - you'd probably have to readjust it until it's the way you want it...it would probably take the same time don't you think?
      - Swizec 4y ago
        So we’re talking about democratizing production yeah? Imagine I’m a schmuck who can croon into a microphone. It’s just me. I have a dayjob because this is a hobby. “Just a quick 2 months of work” is a total nonstarter. I’ll just keep crooning in the shower “Just 2 months, it’s not a lot” is like telling someone “Oh cleaning the house is easy, just ask your maid”
        dmbche 4y ago
        Well we're talking about making a record like OK Computer. It's a work of art, it takes time and intent and attention to details. If you want to record a couple jazz songs for kicks you can very easily and satisfactorily do this today, for very little money (just higher up this thread people have recommended great tools) and it will be higher quality that what was playing on the radio in the 90s. And I'd argue that if you were as good a crooner as Radiohead are -eh- experimental musicians, I'm sure you'd find the time to make an album that would make yourself rich. Sorry I'm a little ranty - gonna get a drink I guess You don't need two months of mixing for your crooner album. You can mix it yourself on the weekend and be 80% there. Like the guy that did Tubular Bells keep re-recording it because it's not good enough for him - but I'm fine with the version he first produced. AI isn't going to change anything here.
        steppi 4y ago
        I get it, but I see so many possibilities here. Fitter Happier and Climbing up the Walls have string arrangements performed by an orchestra. Can you imagine writing a score and spinning up a virtual orchestra to play it? There are so many subtleties in phrasing, dynamics, and intonation that make the difference between just Ok and excellent. It doesn’t seem impossible to imagine giving your score to your virtual musicians and communicating with them in natural language and hummed phrases in an iterative process until they get things just right. You’d have to agree this would be democratizing, right?
        dmbche 4y ago
        I guess it is. Kind of like being able to talk to an AI and have it make a movie out of it. Thanks for the chat!
- dmbche 4y ago
  Reading on the recording of OK Computer, "about 80%" of it was live, no audio separation, it took two months to mix, I can't find the time it took to master. I don't know where the thousands of man-hours were spent?
  - zamnos 4y ago
    OK Computer ended up with 12 songs, although OK Computer OKNOTOK 1997 2017, the 2017 reissue of OK Computer included 3 extra previously unreleased tracks (plus a bunch more extras). If we assume those 3 tracks were mixed and mastered for OK Computer's original release, but just didn't make the cut for whatever reason, we have 15 tracks. Thousands of man-hours is the five members of the band, plus their producer, plus an audio-engineer working 40 hrs/wk. There are 43 business days in 2 months, or just under 3 days per track. 3 days to do a bunch of technical work to balance the recordings juuust right, and then balance those recordings between each other to make it worthy of being called a Radiohead album. Personally, 3 days per track actually doesn't sound like enough time for that since you mix it, and then have to listen to that particular mix until you get bored, and then come back to it after, listen to it again some more, figure out how you feel about that mix, and then repeat. Of course, you can half-ass it and throw the tracks into Ableton, spend 20 minutes and call it a day, but you didn't used to get to be Radiohead with that kind of effort. ML algos on the horizon seem like they'll be able to do just that.
    - pfannkuchen 4y ago
      If production gets easier, I’m guessing the competitive bar will raise to a point where you still can’t do this with little effort. There may be an adjustment period where you can, but I think it will be temporary. An arms race will kick off with the new tools.

by dmbche 4y ago

Swizec 4y ago

> What do you think the AI could do that you couldn't by searching the web? Create enough hours in the day to do the work. No amount of skill or knowledge will get me over the hump that it takes hundreds, maybe thousands, of person hours to produce a Radiohead album.

dmbche 4y ago
I'm sorry - hours of doing what exactly? Ok computer took two months of mixing, and some time for the mastering. 80% of it were live takes. What's the AI supposed to do?
- Swizec 4y ago
  The 2 months of mixing
  - dmbche 4y ago
    I don't know what to tell you brother, two months of mixing is very doable for humans beings... As it was done by two people to make OK Computer? I don't think having an AI will change much for your music production if 2 months of mixing is too much work. Don't even know what you'd ask it to do - you'd probably have to readjust it until it's the way you want it...it would probably take the same time don't you think?
    - Swizec 4y ago
      So we’re talking about democratizing production yeah? Imagine I’m a schmuck who can croon into a microphone. It’s just me. I have a dayjob because this is a hobby. “Just a quick 2 months of work” is a total nonstarter. I’ll just keep crooning in the shower “Just 2 months, it’s not a lot” is like telling someone “Oh cleaning the house is easy, just ask your maid”
      - dmbche 4y ago
        Well we're talking about making a record like OK Computer. It's a work of art, it takes time and intent and attention to details. If you want to record a couple jazz songs for kicks you can very easily and satisfactorily do this today, for very little money (just higher up this thread people have recommended great tools) and it will be higher quality that what was playing on the radio in the 90s. And I'd argue that if you were as good a crooner as Radiohead are -eh- experimental musicians, I'm sure you'd find the time to make an album that would make yourself rich. Sorry I'm a little ranty - gonna get a drink I guess You don't need two months of mixing for your crooner album. You can mix it yourself on the weekend and be 80% there. Like the guy that did Tubular Bells keep re-recording it because it's not good enough for him - but I'm fine with the version he first produced. AI isn't going to change anything here.
        steppi 4y ago
        I get it, but I see so many possibilities here. Fitter Happier and Climbing up the Walls have string arrangements performed by an orchestra. Can you imagine writing a score and spinning up a virtual orchestra to play it? There are so many subtleties in phrasing, dynamics, and intonation that make the difference between just Ok and excellent. It doesn’t seem impossible to imagine giving your score to your virtual musicians and communicating with them in natural language and hummed phrases in an iterative process until they get things just right. You’d have to agree this would be democratizing, right?
        dmbche 4y ago
        I guess it is. Kind of like being able to talk to an AI and have it make a movie out of it. Thanks for the chat!
dmbche 4y ago
Reading on the recording of OK Computer, "about 80%" of it was live, no audio separation, it took two months to mix, I can't find the time it took to master. I don't know where the thousands of man-hours were spent?
- zamnos 4y ago
  OK Computer ended up with 12 songs, although OK Computer OKNOTOK 1997 2017, the 2017 reissue of OK Computer included 3 extra previously unreleased tracks (plus a bunch more extras). If we assume those 3 tracks were mixed and mastered for OK Computer's original release, but just didn't make the cut for whatever reason, we have 15 tracks. Thousands of man-hours is the five members of the band, plus their producer, plus an audio-engineer working 40 hrs/wk. There are 43 business days in 2 months, or just under 3 days per track. 3 days to do a bunch of technical work to balance the recordings juuust right, and then balance those recordings between each other to make it worthy of being called a Radiohead album. Personally, 3 days per track actually doesn't sound like enough time for that since you mix it, and then have to listen to that particular mix until you get bored, and then come back to it after, listen to it again some more, figure out how you feel about that mix, and then repeat. Of course, you can half-ass it and throw the tracks into Ableton, spend 20 minutes and call it a day, but you didn't used to get to be Radiohead with that kind of effort. ML algos on the horizon seem like they'll be able to do just that.
  - pfannkuchen 4y ago
    If production gets easier, I’m guessing the competitive bar will raise to a point where you still can’t do this with little effort. There may be an adjustment period where you can, but I think it will be temporary. An arms race will kick off with the new tools.