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As a person living in Sweden, it seems that my most immediate concern is USA. They are the ones that can ask the swedish government to make up some BS accusatio

As a person living in Sweden, it seems that my most immediate concern is USA. They are the ones that can ask the swedish government to make up some BS accusations to arrest me and eventually ship me to USA where I will be tortured.

ineedasername 3y ago
Seems like your most immediate concern should be the Swedish government. They’re the ones required to actually agree & implement actions based on the BS accusation.
- bombolo 3y ago
  So we should focus on the goons and ignore the boss sending them? Makes total sense.
  - ineedasername 3y ago
    It's not either or. But in this situation the Swedish people have a better chance of influencing their own government than the one trying to get it to do what it wants. In this situation the boss is powerless over swedish people if the goons lose their power.
    - bombolo 3y ago
      LOL because they'd call a vote for this right? Except very extreme fringes, every big party will bend over to do whatever USA tells them to do, regardless of what their voting base thinks. See how they are changing the laws so that it's legal to send kurds in turkey to die.
      - ineedasername 3y ago
        Kick the big party out of office. If a someone can't hurt you except by getting a someone else to do it, and that person only has the power you give it, deal with that person. I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying that the statement "my most immediate concern..." is incorrect. What's more likely: 1) demands from Swedish citizens to the USA actually stopping the USA from using Sweden in its geopolitics? Or 2) Demands from Swedish citizens to the government they empower? If it's only the extreme fringes, then maybe most people in Sweden simply don't have much of a problem with it or don't care either way, or have more immediately pressing problems to deal with, or something else. Whatever the reason, if you don't like it then your most immediate problem is dealing with the roadblocks to getting your government to stop doing it. EDIT: Maybe we're just talking past each other. The phrasing "most immediate concern" is something I equate to "the problem I have to deal with first". That's why I see that statement of problematics. If you were able to in some way deal with the USA first without changing Swedish politics at all then some other geopolitical power will quickly fill the power gap afterwards and play the same games.
        bombolo 3y ago
        "most immediate concern" was in regard USA spying foreign citizens vs china doing so. I was saying that FOR ME, a citizen of "the west", USA is more dangerous. You might write all the long comments you like, and suggest me to vote (lol, i see that's working very well in USA as well), but the fact remains.
low_tech_love 3y ago
As a person living in Sweden, I think your (and my) immediate concern should be the Swedish government. It's a weak, spineless, and outdated institution that only worked for a few decades because it relied on the homogeneity of the population's opinions (and the unwillingness of those opposed to voice their opinions) to make decisions based on a fake idea of common sense. Assange is just one example, merely an outlier. Random immigrants, perfectly productive and integrated into the country, including children, are being deported everyday for no special reason. Families are being separated, careers are being destroyed, just because they want to look "strong". On the other hand, not a single criminal or terrorist is deported; why? Because they will make a fuss. Because there is a bunch of spoiled Swedish people who never experienced hardship with nothing better to do than to defend outdated ridiculous socialist/communist ideas, and they will kick and scream if a criminal is deported. And the coward government is afraid of having to deal with that. Deport a working, honest immigrant, and they will not say anything. They comply, go out, and try again. If you're one of them, that is what you should be concerned with.
- bombolo 3y ago
  > And the coward government is afraid of having to deal with that. Uuuh??? They are the ones talking about taking away citizenship from people (with dual citizenship I hope, otherwise it's against human rights), exactly to be able to deport even swedish citizens. At this point becoming a citizen would become completely meaningless. And they got voted in power, so I guess they have support from the majority of people.

ineedasername 3y ago

Seems like your most immediate concern should be the Swedish government. They’re the ones required to actually agree & implement actions based on the BS accusation.

bombolo 3y ago
So we should focus on the goons and ignore the boss sending them? Makes total sense.
- ineedasername 3y ago
  It's not either or. But in this situation the Swedish people have a better chance of influencing their own government than the one trying to get it to do what it wants. In this situation the boss is powerless over swedish people if the goons lose their power.
  - bombolo 3y ago
    LOL because they'd call a vote for this right? Except very extreme fringes, every big party will bend over to do whatever USA tells them to do, regardless of what their voting base thinks. See how they are changing the laws so that it's legal to send kurds in turkey to die.
    - ineedasername 3y ago
      Kick the big party out of office. If a someone can't hurt you except by getting a someone else to do it, and that person only has the power you give it, deal with that person. I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying that the statement "my most immediate concern..." is incorrect. What's more likely: 1) demands from Swedish citizens to the USA actually stopping the USA from using Sweden in its geopolitics? Or 2) Demands from Swedish citizens to the government they empower? If it's only the extreme fringes, then maybe most people in Sweden simply don't have much of a problem with it or don't care either way, or have more immediately pressing problems to deal with, or something else. Whatever the reason, if you don't like it then your most immediate problem is dealing with the roadblocks to getting your government to stop doing it. EDIT: Maybe we're just talking past each other. The phrasing "most immediate concern" is something I equate to "the problem I have to deal with first". That's why I see that statement of problematics. If you were able to in some way deal with the USA first without changing Swedish politics at all then some other geopolitical power will quickly fill the power gap afterwards and play the same games.
      - bombolo 3y ago
        "most immediate concern" was in regard USA spying foreign citizens vs china doing so. I was saying that FOR ME, a citizen of "the west", USA is more dangerous. You might write all the long comments you like, and suggest me to vote (lol, i see that's working very well in USA as well), but the fact remains.

low_tech_love 3y ago

As a person living in Sweden, I think your (and my) immediate concern should be the Swedish government. It's a weak, spineless, and outdated institution that only worked for a few decades because it relied on the homogeneity of the population's opinions (and the unwillingness of those opposed to voice their opinions) to make decisions based on a fake idea of common sense. Assange is just one example, merely an outlier. Random immigrants, perfectly productive and integrated into the country, including children, are being deported everyday for no special reason. Families are being separated, careers are being destroyed, just because they want to look "strong". On the other hand, not a single criminal or terrorist is deported; why? Because they will make a fuss. Because there is a bunch of spoiled Swedish people who never experienced hardship with nothing better to do than to defend outdated ridiculous socialist/communist ideas, and they will kick and scream if a criminal is deported. And the coward government is afraid of having to deal with that. Deport a working, honest immigrant, and they will not say anything. They comply, go out, and try again. If you're one of them, that is what you should be concerned with.

bombolo 3y ago
> And the coward government is afraid of having to deal with that. Uuuh??? They are the ones talking about taking away citizenship from people (with dual citizenship I hope, otherwise it's against human rights), exactly to be able to deport even swedish citizens. At this point becoming a citizen would become completely meaningless. And they got voted in power, so I guess they have support from the majority of people.