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Indeed, this is the point I'm after. Glad we could get there.

• yunohn 4y ago
  My repeated point has been that morality != religious sin, rather the latter is a subset. I don’t necessarily agree with laws/taxes in this regard, but it’s important to understand where they come from.
  • smitty1e 4y ago
    OK, I disagree with the "subset" point, though I yield to your majority opinion on the matter. My argument is that we can declutter discussion by treating all "moral compass" arguments as orthogonal to an "ethical plane". If our subjective judgements are treated as internal (booze==sin), and de-conflicted from the external, legal arguments, we'd be in better shape. But too many are invested in the status quo to tidy up the model like that.