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...and they had to put up posters outlining worker rights. Almost 100% of the comments in this thread seem to gloss over the fact that this lawsuit was due to

...and they had to put up posters outlining worker rights. Almost 100% of the comments in this thread seem to gloss over the fact that this lawsuit was due to the actions of one manager in an autobody store. And his actions were counter to Tesla's official policy which clearly states that it is acceptable to discuss salary. Based on the comments alone you'd think the article was about a class action suit. Why extrapolate the actions of one person to those of the entire organization? Go look at the job board on the Tesla website. Their salaries and benefits look great to me.

slily 3y ago
To Musk haters, any bit of news concerning Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter, etc. is just waiting to be spun into a negative headline that can then be an excuse to whine about him. Somehow the smear campaign against him seems to be more effective than most in shaping opinion in the tech sphere. I've noticed coworkers whom I thought were reasonable rational people turn into playground-bully types since the Twitter acquisition, bringing him up in work-related chatrooms just to insult him, sharing hit pieces, memes and tweets with the same intent, etc. Others seem afraid of getting cancelled for praising anything he does, and preface any positive or neutral statement about him with "I think he's a <some negative trait>, but...".
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
  I'm not a musk hater because of this sort of thing, I'm a musk hater because of Elon's own words and actions which consistently show him to be a shit person.
  - millerm 3y ago
    Which, I hope you would admit, has basically nothing to do with this “headline.
- falcolas 3y ago
  Respectfully, not everything that involves Tesla can be reduced to love or hate for Elon Musk. In fact, my original post isn't even about Tesla - just laws about worker's rights.
  - slily 3y ago
    You're right, it isn't directly relevant to your post, but other top-level comments were making snide remarks about Elon Musk, and I ended up conflating them when replying. The larger point that I forgot to make is that publications are quick to publish hit pieces and negative headlines about anything Elon Musk has touched. And since most people don't read past the headline (as pointed out by the comment I initially responded to) and are eager to have another excuse to complain about Elon Musk, they are often misrepresented and repeated without context by the haters, and it's hard to have a good faith discussion about anything connected to him.
- version_five 3y ago
  As with so many things recently, I went from a Musk "hater" - maybe "detractor" - five years ago, to finding myself defending him now, without really changing my position on him, due to the major change in popular opinion, for silly idolatry to religious hatred.
falcolas 3y ago
> And his actions were counter to Tesla's official policy which clearly states that it is acceptable to discuss salary. If managers are not following the policy, and leadership doesn't enforce the policy on the managers, the policy may as well not exist. > Why extrapolate the actions of one person to those of the entire organization? An employee was suspended and fired for talking about their salary, and for attempting to talk to the manager's manager. This kind of activity doesn't generally happen without the leadership chain being aware. It's a part of their job description to be aware. They, and/or HR, should have shut that shit down. They didn't. Tesla should be held accountable, not given a softly spoken warning. Especially since it's not the first time the NLRB has had to point out to Tesla that they're breaking the law. > Go look at the job board on the Tesla website. Their salaries and benefits look great to me. Completely unrelated.
eesmith 3y ago
> this lawsuit was due to the actions of one manager in an autobody store. There are two named people who violated labor law, according to to the judge. They are Andre Ayala (manager) and Cedric Leith (associate manager). Quoting from "Legal Analysis", "The Section 8(A)(1) Violations" on p 14: ] During an all-hands shop meeting around mid-December, Ayala violated Section 8(a)(1) by instructing employees not to discuss their pay rates or the newly hired employees. ] After picking up his tools and turning to leave, Leith told him, "If I were you, I wouldn't talk to anybody." In the circumstances, Leith’s statement also violated Section 8(a)(1). The facility has "approximately 25 employees, including 22 collision technicians", so it's not like there's much other local management. Further, Tesla's organizational response was judged to be inadequate: ] Its attempted repudiation of Ayala’s statement regarding pay was timely since it was disseminated on June 13 - a little over a month after it first learned of the Region’s investigation regarding the statement and four days after the amended charge issued on June 9. However, the notice was deficient it all other respects. followed by three points where it was deficient.
millerm 3y ago
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slily 3y ago

To Musk haters, any bit of news concerning Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter, etc. is just waiting to be spun into a negative headline that can then be an excuse to whine about him. Somehow the smear campaign against him seems to be more effective than most in shaping opinion in the tech sphere. I've noticed coworkers whom I thought were reasonable rational people turn into playground-bully types since the Twitter acquisition, bringing him up in work-related chatrooms just to insult him, sharing hit pieces, memes and tweets with the same intent, etc. Others seem afraid of getting cancelled for praising anything he does, and preface any positive or neutral statement about him with "I think he's a <some negative trait>, but...".

Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
I'm not a musk hater because of this sort of thing, I'm a musk hater because of Elon's own words and actions which consistently show him to be a shit person.
- millerm 3y ago
  Which, I hope you would admit, has basically nothing to do with this “headline.
falcolas 3y ago
Respectfully, not everything that involves Tesla can be reduced to love or hate for Elon Musk. In fact, my original post isn't even about Tesla - just laws about worker's rights.
- slily 3y ago
  You're right, it isn't directly relevant to your post, but other top-level comments were making snide remarks about Elon Musk, and I ended up conflating them when replying. The larger point that I forgot to make is that publications are quick to publish hit pieces and negative headlines about anything Elon Musk has touched. And since most people don't read past the headline (as pointed out by the comment I initially responded to) and are eager to have another excuse to complain about Elon Musk, they are often misrepresented and repeated without context by the haters, and it's hard to have a good faith discussion about anything connected to him.
version_five 3y ago
As with so many things recently, I went from a Musk "hater" - maybe "detractor" - five years ago, to finding myself defending him now, without really changing my position on him, due to the major change in popular opinion, for silly idolatry to religious hatred.

falcolas 3y ago

> And his actions were counter to Tesla's official policy which clearly states that it is acceptable to discuss salary. If managers are not following the policy, and leadership doesn't enforce the policy on the managers, the policy may as well not exist. > Why extrapolate the actions of one person to those of the entire organization? An employee was suspended and fired for talking about their salary, and for attempting to talk to the manager's manager. This kind of activity doesn't generally happen without the leadership chain being aware. It's a part of their job description to be aware. They, and/or HR, should have shut that shit down. They didn't. Tesla should be held accountable, not given a softly spoken warning. Especially since it's not the first time the NLRB has had to point out to Tesla that they're breaking the law. > Go look at the job board on the Tesla website. Their salaries and benefits look great to me. Completely unrelated.

eesmith 3y ago

> this lawsuit was due to the actions of one manager in an autobody store. There are two named people who violated labor law, according to to the judge. They are Andre Ayala (manager) and Cedric Leith (associate manager). Quoting from "Legal Analysis", "The Section 8(A)(1) Violations" on p 14: ] During an all-hands shop meeting around mid-December, Ayala violated Section 8(a)(1) by instructing employees not to discuss their pay rates or the newly hired employees. ] After picking up his tools and turning to leave, Leith told him, "If I were you, I wouldn't talk to anybody." In the circumstances, Leith’s statement also violated Section 8(a)(1). The facility has "approximately 25 employees, including 22 collision technicians", so it's not like there's much other local management. Further, Tesla's organizational response was judged to be inadequate: ] Its attempted repudiation of Ayala’s statement regarding pay was timely since it was disseminated on June 13 - a little over a month after it first learned of the Region’s investigation regarding the statement and four days after the amended charge issued on June 9. However, the notice was deficient it all other respects. followed by three points where it was deficient.

millerm 3y ago

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