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I might be missing something, but it seems the only reason that Russia has much of any leverage on him now is specifically because we are persecuting him in the

by saurik 4y ago

I might be missing something, but it seems the only reason that Russia has much of any leverage on him now is specifically because we are persecuting him in the first place? https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-kgb-spy-the-russians-tricked-snowden-2014-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-kgb-spy-the-russians-tric... Like, to the extent to which an early plan to target him was a success, it involved a critical later step where the United States goes on a hunt for Snowden, allowing Russia the ability to later get him stuck there and under their control... delete that part and I am unsure what the plan would have been. I'd claim the reality of the morality here is that we should not have to rely on the awkward motives of some enemy intelligence agency to target people and maneuver them into doing something good because, in our zeal to prevent something good, we do bad things that allow them to get an indirect benefit that results in something bad.

wnevets 4y ago
He fled to the country with directions from russia before releasing the classified Intel.
- ztrfy 4y ago
  Nonsense. He gave the material to Greenwald and a Guardian journalist in Hong Kong. He stayed in Hong Kong for a while, and when it became apparent that he could not go to other countries he went to Russia. Whether the Guardian published the info after that is irrelevant. Also note that Greenwald asked him to publish anonymously, which Snowden declined. Anyway, the U.S. could pardon him and he would go back. All these armchair whistleblowers here are mindblowing.
  - wnevets 4y ago
    > Nonsense. He gave the material to Greenwald and a Guardian journalist in Hong Kong. He stayed in Hong Kong for a while, and when it became apparent that he could not go to other countries he went to Russia. Is that just another way of saying he fled the country before releasing the stolen intelligence?

by saurik 4y ago

wnevets 4y ago

He fled to the country with directions from russia before releasing the classified Intel.

ztrfy 4y ago
Nonsense. He gave the material to Greenwald and a Guardian journalist in Hong Kong. He stayed in Hong Kong for a while, and when it became apparent that he could not go to other countries he went to Russia. Whether the Guardian published the info after that is irrelevant. Also note that Greenwald asked him to publish anonymously, which Snowden declined. Anyway, the U.S. could pardon him and he would go back. All these armchair whistleblowers here are mindblowing.
- wnevets 4y ago
  > Nonsense. He gave the material to Greenwald and a Guardian journalist in Hong Kong. He stayed in Hong Kong for a while, and when it became apparent that he could not go to other countries he went to Russia. Is that just another way of saying he fled the country before releasing the stolen intelligence?