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Because incompetance is often more probable than malice. Without knowing baselines, like how often these procedures were broken in general, these don't mean muc

by V__ 3y ago

Because incompetance is often more probable than malice. Without knowing baselines, like how often these procedures were broken in general, these don't mean much. What if this happened literally every day?

MilStdJunkie 3y ago
Yuuuuuuup. Good eye. It's pointless without knowing the trend, which is how conspiracy theories work. Which sucks, because there are very real conspiracies out there, and the others are very often employed for cover. See also MiB / LSD experiments, where you dress up as Hasidic diamond merchants and visit whistleblowers with gargantuan amounts of experimental psychedelics. "Ha ha this guy thinks aliens are probing everyone" Epstein, for his part, yeah, I agree, probably was actually part of a conspiracy, a fall guy for an entirely government run honeypot. However, I don't have any reason to think this is all true.
- samstave 3y ago
  >>>It's pointless without knowing the trend, which is how conspiracy theories work. What? Conspiracy theories work specifically for seeing the trend over time. For example, I have no memory for what I ate yesterday, but I can recall news stories from as far back as the 80s which corroborate malfeasance decades later. Did you know that John McCain was a filthy grifting criminal who was involved in the savings and loan scandal, was a complete coverer for the Iran Contra debacle, and the CIAs BCCI money laundering scheme for their importing of drugs through Mena Arkansas, which was shielded by Bill Clinton, and for being a CIA minion was awarded the next POTUS position... Look into BCCI and a name you might be familiar with, Khoshoggi not the dismembered journalist by MBS, but his relative who was the arms dealer that sold his yacht to... donald trump. Who bragged about the purchase on nightly entertainment TV. "It's a big club, and you aint in it" -- George Carlin. The CIA runs the USA, and the drug trafficking and child trafficking industry, and Israel runs the CIA... Guess who was handling Epstein ;; Maxwell (AKA mossad)
  - gettodachoppa 3y ago
    >>> Look into BCCI and a name you might be familiar with, Khoshoggi not the dismembered journalist by MBS, but his relative who was the arms dealer that sold his yacht to... donald trump. Who bragged about the purchase on nightly entertainment TV. Damn, this is actually true. I just visited Wikipedia, and I did not expect what I learned there. I thought Jamal Kashoggi was just some journalist. I never looked into him. Turns out: -He worked at the Saudi equivalent of the CIA -He's the cousin of Dodi Al Fayed (the billionnaire who died in the car crash with Princess Diana) -He's the nephew of billionnaire arms dealer Adnan Kashoggi, who sold Donald Trump a $200M yacht -His grandfather was the personal doctor of the king of Saudi Arabia -Considering the amount of noise the US made about him, I also expected him to be a US citizen. But no, he wasn't even a US citizen. I've never in my whole life seen the US govt care this much about a foreigner dying abroad, even if they work for a US company. -George Soros' Open Society Foundation sued the Saudi government over his death I know HN is the sort of place where you get flagged for voicing your suspicions without linking some establishment-approved source that gives its blessing on a particular narrative. So I'll just say this: it feels to me me that this is a very surprising background for a mere journalist.
    - coliveira 3y ago
      Good. Now go to wikipedia again and learn about Felix Sater, and you'll see that Trump was also collaborating with the CIA to make connections and business with the Russian oligarchs. The web goes deeper than you can imagine.
      - samstave 3y ago
        Just wait until we see an AI crawler the masses can use... The next conspiracy will be AI code that is delivering information that cant be debunked regardless how (un)true. Thats the AI we fear.
    - 2-718-281-828 3y ago
      this is crazy interesting. but what's can be hypothesized based on that. all of that is basically just circumstantial at that.
ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
However, incompetence can be allowed to go unpunished if it helps the people with malicious intent. If it happened every day, then it's still a failure of the system and to my mind is indicative of a widespread problem of getting rid of inconvenient people.
2-718-281-828 3y ago
> how often these procedures were broken in general, these don't mean much. What if this happened literally every day? according to this Fox News article [1] his suicide was the first in 21 years. 1: https://www.foxnews.com/us/epstein-new-york-lockup-suicides https://www.foxnews.com/us/epstein-new-york-lockup-suicides

by V__ 3y ago

MilStdJunkie 3y ago

Yuuuuuuup. Good eye. It's pointless without knowing the trend, which is how conspiracy theories work. Which sucks, because there are very real conspiracies out there, and the others are very often employed for cover. See also MiB / LSD experiments, where you dress up as Hasidic diamond merchants and visit whistleblowers with gargantuan amounts of experimental psychedelics. "Ha ha this guy thinks aliens are probing everyone" Epstein, for his part, yeah, I agree, probably was actually part of a conspiracy, a fall guy for an entirely government run honeypot. However, I don't have any reason to think this is all true.

samstave 3y ago
>>>It's pointless without knowing the trend, which is how conspiracy theories work. What? Conspiracy theories work specifically for seeing the trend over time. For example, I have no memory for what I ate yesterday, but I can recall news stories from as far back as the 80s which corroborate malfeasance decades later. Did you know that John McCain was a filthy grifting criminal who was involved in the savings and loan scandal, was a complete coverer for the Iran Contra debacle, and the CIAs BCCI money laundering scheme for their importing of drugs through Mena Arkansas, which was shielded by Bill Clinton, and for being a CIA minion was awarded the next POTUS position... Look into BCCI and a name you might be familiar with, Khoshoggi not the dismembered journalist by MBS, but his relative who was the arms dealer that sold his yacht to... donald trump. Who bragged about the purchase on nightly entertainment TV. "It's a big club, and you aint in it" -- George Carlin. The CIA runs the USA, and the drug trafficking and child trafficking industry, and Israel runs the CIA... Guess who was handling Epstein ;; Maxwell (AKA mossad)
- gettodachoppa 3y ago
  >>> Look into BCCI and a name you might be familiar with, Khoshoggi not the dismembered journalist by MBS, but his relative who was the arms dealer that sold his yacht to... donald trump. Who bragged about the purchase on nightly entertainment TV. Damn, this is actually true. I just visited Wikipedia, and I did not expect what I learned there. I thought Jamal Kashoggi was just some journalist. I never looked into him. Turns out: -He worked at the Saudi equivalent of the CIA -He's the cousin of Dodi Al Fayed (the billionnaire who died in the car crash with Princess Diana) -He's the nephew of billionnaire arms dealer Adnan Kashoggi, who sold Donald Trump a $200M yacht -His grandfather was the personal doctor of the king of Saudi Arabia -Considering the amount of noise the US made about him, I also expected him to be a US citizen. But no, he wasn't even a US citizen. I've never in my whole life seen the US govt care this much about a foreigner dying abroad, even if they work for a US company. -George Soros' Open Society Foundation sued the Saudi government over his death I know HN is the sort of place where you get flagged for voicing your suspicions without linking some establishment-approved source that gives its blessing on a particular narrative. So I'll just say this: it feels to me me that this is a very surprising background for a mere journalist.
  - coliveira 3y ago
    Good. Now go to wikipedia again and learn about Felix Sater, and you'll see that Trump was also collaborating with the CIA to make connections and business with the Russian oligarchs. The web goes deeper than you can imagine.
    - samstave 3y ago
      Just wait until we see an AI crawler the masses can use... The next conspiracy will be AI code that is delivering information that cant be debunked regardless how (un)true. Thats the AI we fear.
  - 2-718-281-828 3y ago
    this is crazy interesting. but what's can be hypothesized based on that. all of that is basically just circumstantial at that.

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago

However, incompetence can be allowed to go unpunished if it helps the people with malicious intent. If it happened every day, then it's still a failure of the system and to my mind is indicative of a widespread problem of getting rid of inconvenient people.

2-718-281-828 3y ago

> how often these procedures were broken in general, these don't mean much. What if this happened literally every day? according to this Fox News article [1] his suicide was the first in 21 years. 1: https://www.foxnews.com/us/epstein-new-york-lockup-suicides https://www.foxnews.com/us/epstein-new-york-lockup-suicides