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To me, this is the scariest part of Musk's desire to colonize Mars. With such disregard for workers rights, outside of global jurisdiction, what can we expect?
by klyrs 4y ago
To me, this is the scariest part of Musk's desire to colonize Mars. With such disregard for workers rights, outside of global jurisdiction, what can we expect? Dystopian sci-fi has explored this thoroughly, well-justified looking back at human history: capitalists can be trusted to exploit people to the fullest extent that they are allowed, and Mars is an explicitly rules-free zone.
- dingusdew 4y ago[dead]
- mypastself 4y agoThis comment is operating under two assumptions: that Mars colonization will occur within his lifetime; and that permanent settlement will be established without applying any legal framework to it. Even sci-fi writers would tell you both these things are highly unlikely.
- klyrs 4y agoI assume nothing. Whether or not Musk succeeds, it is worth discussing probable outcomes. I am commenting on the current legal framework. I think that your view that a legal framework will exist before colonization (permanent or disastrously temporary) occurs is quite optimistic. I will remain pessimistic about the legal situation until a legal framework exists to prevent human rights abuses in space, with sharp enough teeth to actually discourage abuses. As we see here, even when laws exist, penalties are rarely sufficient.
- mypastself 4y agoEven if specific laws aren’t established along with or prior to settlement (which I doubt), it’s not true that Mars is “an explicitly rules-free zone“. Existing Earth laws would still apply: https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm
- throwaway5959 4y agoWhy would a sci-fi writers be the authoritative people to ask about science and engineering? They’re fiction authors.
- mypastself 4y agoThat was the original comment’s implication. Hence my “even”.
- klyrs 4y agoMy concern is one of jurisprudence, not science. To your question, many of the best sci-fi authors are in fact scientists.
- belter 4y agoStay away Inners...
- George83728 4y ago> To me, this is the scariest part of Musk's desire to colonize Mars Not much sense getting scared about fantasy scenarios. Nobody is seriously working on a Mars colony, it's not happening anytime soon, if ever.
- herbstein 4y agoMusk has detailed the plan he envisions for the pioneers/settlers, and it's essentially indentured. Whether it happens or not, Musk certainly has a pretty questionable plan for it. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1217991853615677440 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1217991853615677440
- wilg 4y agoAh yes, the “detailed plan” is an off-the-cuff one-sentence reply to a random person on Twitter.
- herbstein 4y agoI guess there's a better word for it than "detailed". As a non-native speaker I was under the impression there's a difference between "detailed a plan" and "details of a plan". In this case I simply used it to explain that he had specified his intentions on that front.
- misssocrates 4y agoDoesn't he say that most regulation is good and is currently pushing for regulation of AI?
- jurassic 4y agoI heard one of his employees joke that Elon could be the first murder victim in space.
- morkalork 4y agoBeing the Nicholas II of Mars would be a legacy.