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I’ll take the convenience of using FaceID over the possibility of being in a situation where it’s used against me. I don’t think that people should be generally

by ackatz 3y ago

I’ll take the convenience of using FaceID over the possibility of being in a situation where it’s used against me. I don’t think that people should be generally worried about these scenarios.

ihatepython 3y ago
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- zmgsabst 3y ago
  Why does it excite you that a presumably innocent person doesn’t believe police are abusive? I’m struggling to understand the gloating — what exactly do you believe that enables?
  - BirAdam 3y ago
    My interpretation is that police aren’t all abusive to the population, and many are acting as if all cops are. As such, the poster was happy that someone felt most cops weren’t horrible people. Logically, it cannot be that all police are horrible as there are boat loads of police in the USA, and were all of them horrible, every single person would likely have a tale of abuse at the hands of law enforcement to tell. As that isn’t the case, one can assume most cops are just normal people.
    - zmgsabst 3y ago
      Yet, neither the person he replied to nor I took it that way. Maybe fewer people would mistrust police if they didn’t make posts that sound threatening?
      - edgyquant 3y ago
        That poster is obviously just trolling dude, even bad cops don’t believe they are bad
      - Brian_K_White 3y ago
        I didn't assume they were even really a cop. They said "speaking as a cop" and then said something that can't be reasonably interpreted any other way than outlandish. Even a real cop who really liked that, would know enough not to admit it in public. That means it doesn't actually matter if they are really a cop or not, either way they were only illuminating a point, not litteral. Maybe the world would be a better place if everyone didn't jump to the worst possible explanation, and then act as if that were the fact. There is no reason to believe that an actual cop actually just admitted to enjoying the freedom to abuse innocents, but you just ran with that and amplified it anyway. That's really all on you.
    - willis936 3y ago
      "A few bad apples spoil the bunch." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_apples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_apples
    - jjj123 3y ago
      No, I think they were just making a joke. It certainly made me laugh.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
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- gregd 3y ago
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  - kaba0 3y ago
    Ideally the cop also has a running recording they can’t turn off.
    - zimpenfish 3y ago
      Assuming it ever got turned on. Or it's pointing in the right direction. Or it doesn't get "lost" afterwards. Or any of the other ways cops avoid accountability.
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    Why the hell would you believe a cop actually just said that? They are probably not actually a cop, but even of they are, they are only making a point to expose the bad advice of the parent comment.
hotpotamus 3y ago
With TouchID I always like to imagine some drug lord telling his minions that they need to cut off the protagonist's thumb to unlock his phone and get the secrets within. The minions respond, "couldn't we just hold the phone up to his thumb?". And the boss says, "maybe, but I'd rather cut if off anyway".
berkle4455 3y ago
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- zen_1 3y ago
  Would someone mind explaining to this Arab immigrant (since I think I need to state my racial and ethnic background to get answers) why it's seen as acceptable to make broad generalizations based on race and sex in this way? For what it's worth I'm sitting with two of my asian friends, who agreed with the quoted sentiment, so it's definitely not just "middle-to-upper-class white males" who hold these views. I also know I'd think very little of someone who tried to dismiss a viewpoint of mine with something that amounted to "of course you'd think that, you're Arab*
  - ihatepython 3y ago
    > why it's seen as acceptable to make broad generalizations based on race and sex in this way? In the current climate, it is acceptable to make broad generalizations about white males, however if the same exact generalizations are made about black people, then they will call you racist (Black Lives Matter), or if you make the same exact generalizations about trans or non-binary people, you will also have problems. I don't think they are anti-Arab anymore, they lost interest in the War on Terror because it wasn't working. Instead, it looks like they are moving to demonize the Russians and the Chinese. Obviously, the climate will change at some point.
    - berkle4455 3y ago
      > Instead, it looks like they are moving to demonize the Russians and the Chinese. Moving to? You've just described the bipartisan position of the US for the past 20 - 40 years.
      - ihatepython 3y ago
        You ain't seen nothing yet. It still hasn't reached its peak.
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Brian_K_White 3y ago
Criminals and bad police just love that everyone thinks that. From your point of view, the logic goes "the chances are low that I'll ever be in one of those situations". Well gee, how nice for you. But for the bad cop, you created the condition that wherever they go, whoever they DO happen to interact with, they always get away with whatever they want. They swim in a sea of all open book victims. The people they do abuse all think the same thing you do. You should generally be worried about your house burning down even if your house has never burned down.
- rocket_surgeron 3y ago
  This incident does not seem a common-enough occurrence to change my behavior. That would be like euthanizing every dog on earth because a person might be killed by one. ~30,000 people are killed by dogs every year. How many times annually do people have their phones unlocked by police without their consent?
  - xypage 3y ago
    This analogy doesn't work because you're comparing euthanizing dogs to using a secure password instead of face ID, one of which ends a life and the other is a mild inconvenience (we all used to use pins before touch ID was normalized, it takes less than a second to enter a password that you've got down to muscle memory). Yeah, we can't make all our choices in life based on an off chance, but when it's this simple it's easily worthwhile
- taylodl 3y ago
  You are assuming evidence obtained from the phone in this manner would be permissible in court. I don't know that this has ever been tried in court. Do you?
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    I am not assuming anything, and no such assumption is necessary.

by ackatz 3y ago

I’ll take the convenience of using FaceID over the possibility of being in a situation where it’s used against me. I don’t think that people should be generally worried about these scenarios.

ihatepython 3y ago

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zmgsabst 3y ago
Why does it excite you that a presumably innocent person doesn’t believe police are abusive? I’m struggling to understand the gloating — what exactly do you believe that enables?
- BirAdam 3y ago
  My interpretation is that police aren’t all abusive to the population, and many are acting as if all cops are. As such, the poster was happy that someone felt most cops weren’t horrible people. Logically, it cannot be that all police are horrible as there are boat loads of police in the USA, and were all of them horrible, every single person would likely have a tale of abuse at the hands of law enforcement to tell. As that isn’t the case, one can assume most cops are just normal people.
  - zmgsabst 3y ago
    Yet, neither the person he replied to nor I took it that way. Maybe fewer people would mistrust police if they didn’t make posts that sound threatening?
    - edgyquant 3y ago
      That poster is obviously just trolling dude, even bad cops don’t believe they are bad
    - Brian_K_White 3y ago
      I didn't assume they were even really a cop. They said "speaking as a cop" and then said something that can't be reasonably interpreted any other way than outlandish. Even a real cop who really liked that, would know enough not to admit it in public. That means it doesn't actually matter if they are really a cop or not, either way they were only illuminating a point, not litteral. Maybe the world would be a better place if everyone didn't jump to the worst possible explanation, and then act as if that were the fact. There is no reason to believe that an actual cop actually just admitted to enjoying the freedom to abuse innocents, but you just ran with that and amplified it anyway. That's really all on you.
  - willis936 3y ago
    "A few bad apples spoil the bunch." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_apples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_apples
  - jjj123 3y ago
    No, I think they were just making a joke. It certainly made me laugh.
hotpotamus 3y ago
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gregd 3y ago
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- kaba0 3y ago
  Ideally the cop also has a running recording they can’t turn off.
  - zimpenfish 3y ago
    Assuming it ever got turned on. Or it's pointing in the right direction. Or it doesn't get "lost" afterwards. Or any of the other ways cops avoid accountability.
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  Why the hell would you believe a cop actually just said that? They are probably not actually a cop, but even of they are, they are only making a point to expose the bad advice of the parent comment.

hotpotamus 3y ago

With TouchID I always like to imagine some drug lord telling his minions that they need to cut off the protagonist's thumb to unlock his phone and get the secrets within. The minions respond, "couldn't we just hold the phone up to his thumb?". And the boss says, "maybe, but I'd rather cut if off anyway".

berkle4455 3y ago

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zen_1 3y ago
Would someone mind explaining to this Arab immigrant (since I think I need to state my racial and ethnic background to get answers) why it's seen as acceptable to make broad generalizations based on race and sex in this way? For what it's worth I'm sitting with two of my asian friends, who agreed with the quoted sentiment, so it's definitely not just "middle-to-upper-class white males" who hold these views. I also know I'd think very little of someone who tried to dismiss a viewpoint of mine with something that amounted to "of course you'd think that, you're Arab*
- ihatepython 3y ago
  > why it's seen as acceptable to make broad generalizations based on race and sex in this way? In the current climate, it is acceptable to make broad generalizations about white males, however if the same exact generalizations are made about black people, then they will call you racist (Black Lives Matter), or if you make the same exact generalizations about trans or non-binary people, you will also have problems. I don't think they are anti-Arab anymore, they lost interest in the War on Terror because it wasn't working. Instead, it looks like they are moving to demonize the Russians and the Chinese. Obviously, the climate will change at some point.
  - berkle4455 3y ago
    > Instead, it looks like they are moving to demonize the Russians and the Chinese. Moving to? You've just described the bipartisan position of the US for the past 20 - 40 years.
    - ihatepython 3y ago
      You ain't seen nothing yet. It still hasn't reached its peak.
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Brian_K_White 3y ago

Criminals and bad police just love that everyone thinks that. From your point of view, the logic goes "the chances are low that I'll ever be in one of those situations". Well gee, how nice for you. But for the bad cop, you created the condition that wherever they go, whoever they DO happen to interact with, they always get away with whatever they want. They swim in a sea of all open book victims. The people they do abuse all think the same thing you do. You should generally be worried about your house burning down even if your house has never burned down.

rocket_surgeron 3y ago
This incident does not seem a common-enough occurrence to change my behavior. That would be like euthanizing every dog on earth because a person might be killed by one. ~30,000 people are killed by dogs every year. How many times annually do people have their phones unlocked by police without their consent?
- xypage 3y ago
  This analogy doesn't work because you're comparing euthanizing dogs to using a secure password instead of face ID, one of which ends a life and the other is a mild inconvenience (we all used to use pins before touch ID was normalized, it takes less than a second to enter a password that you've got down to muscle memory). Yeah, we can't make all our choices in life based on an off chance, but when it's this simple it's easily worthwhile
taylodl 3y ago
You are assuming evidence obtained from the phone in this manner would be permissible in court. I don't know that this has ever been tried in court. Do you?
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  I am not assuming anything, and no such assumption is necessary.