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I found the treatment of Julian Assange to be the disgusting poltics; after that its just more of the same, innit?

gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
The treatment of Assange defies belief, and the hypocrisy is off the scale. The defense from many people who would nominally be appalled by this, seems to rest on the poor character of Assange, so he gets written off. The poor character point may or may not be correct, but is completely irrelevant, and if it relates to civil or criminal offences then it has never been allowed to be tested.
- kelipso 4y ago
  Also it's just insanely easy to malign the character of someone with a few well placed news articles and tweets.
alphanullmeric 4y ago
No, it’s not the same because it doesn’t benefit him this time. Leftists are like libertarians, if libertarians only applied their principles to themselves. Bodily autonomy, firearm rights, private property, taxation, misinformation censorship, death penalty, etc. Whether or not they support it depends not on what it does but who it benefits, and so a left winger can never truly take a concrete position like “I support gun control” when they need to make exceptions for SRA, Natives, Palestinians, etc.
- gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
  Putting aside your implied definition of Leftists here. The Palestinian point is broadly enlightening, but maybe not in the way you intended. Armed struggle for the purpose of self determination should be materially supported in Ukraine, but not in Palestine. This is the glowing contradiction, and I'm not sure real leftists are the most guilty party here.
  - alphanullmeric 4y ago
    I don’t want to materially support either country.
    - gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
      As someone who considers themselves on the left, i have broadly the same view. I also don't have a hard view on gun control, because if the state authorities are militarised then it's hard to argue that civil society can't be. The solution for this of course is to demilitarise the police.
  - yarg 4y ago
    US complicity has permitted the decades long ethnic cleansing of Palestine to continue unabated. It is truly abhorrent. However, there's a significant difference between arming a nation under invasion, and arming religious fundamentalists.
  - throwaway27391 4y ago
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throwaway27391 4y ago
He avoided prosecution of three credible separate sexual abuse allegations by hiding in a non-extraditing country for seven years. He's also not a whistleblower.

The treatment of Assange defies belief, and the hypocrisy is off the scale. The defense from many people who would nominally be appalled by this, seems to rest on the poor character of Assange, so he gets written off. The poor character point may or may not be correct, but is completely irrelevant, and if it relates to civil or criminal offences then it has never been allowed to be tested.

kelipso 4y ago
Also it's just insanely easy to malign the character of someone with a few well placed news articles and tweets.

alphanullmeric 4y ago

No, it’s not the same because it doesn’t benefit him this time. Leftists are like libertarians, if libertarians only applied their principles to themselves. Bodily autonomy, firearm rights, private property, taxation, misinformation censorship, death penalty, etc. Whether or not they support it depends not on what it does but who it benefits, and so a left winger can never truly take a concrete position like “I support gun control” when they need to make exceptions for SRA, Natives, Palestinians, etc.

gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
Putting aside your implied definition of Leftists here. The Palestinian point is broadly enlightening, but maybe not in the way you intended. Armed struggle for the purpose of self determination should be materially supported in Ukraine, but not in Palestine. This is the glowing contradiction, and I'm not sure real leftists are the most guilty party here.
- alphanullmeric 4y ago
  I don’t want to materially support either country.
  - gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
    As someone who considers themselves on the left, i have broadly the same view. I also don't have a hard view on gun control, because if the state authorities are militarised then it's hard to argue that civil society can't be. The solution for this of course is to demilitarise the police.
- yarg 4y ago
  US complicity has permitted the decades long ethnic cleansing of Palestine to continue unabated. It is truly abhorrent. However, there's a significant difference between arming a nation under invasion, and arming religious fundamentalists.
- throwaway27391 4y ago
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throwaway27391 4y ago

He avoided prosecution of three credible separate sexual abuse allegations by hiding in a non-extraditing country for seven years. He's also not a whistleblower.