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Constitutional monarchs are a valid form of non political heads of state, and there’s a value in such heads of state. However, they should be citizens and resi

Constitutional monarchs are a valid form of non political heads of state, and there’s a value in such heads of state. However, they should be citizens and residents of the country they “lead” - not residing over the seas. And they should dial the ostentation back to 4-5, in line with the other countries in Europe. Let Disney handle the Magic Princesses.

cal85 4y ago
Why should they dial the ostentation back?
- jleyank 4y ago
  Their existence depends on the tolerance of the taxed. Burn that out and theyll have to work for a living. Edit as I can’t reply…. Japan’s royalty has been around far longer but isn’t particularly fancy. Denmark’s is similar in duration to the post Norman uk, similarly “mild”. People don’t like seeing such behaviour in lean times.
  - 988747 4y ago
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  - cal85 4y ago
    I’m not sure. The most successful, enduring ‘royal family’ in the world appears to be the one that has been the most careful to conserve all the ostentation.
    - fakedang 4y ago
      Well Japanese royalty is most certainly not ostentatious.
      - cal85 4y ago
        Fair point, enduring wasn’t the best word. But point is, the British one is a standout successful one, and also a standout ostentatious one. Every time there’s some big royal thing going on, people talk about how it’s too ostentatious and it will never survive like that, but revealed preferences seem to show that is its greatest strength.
  - usrusr 4y ago
    Are those monarchies even tax funded? A separation between private ("house") and state property is usually much older than even the earliest traces of democratization and when they got to where they are today without completely losing their formal status, the house property will have survived just fine. Apply the supposedly not-feudal-at-all mechanisms of free market to those (land-)lords and you get something generously funded by nothing but privileged birth.
- michaelt 4y ago
  Some members of the ruling class prefer to present themselves as 'normal' people who are 'just like you'. For example, by not wearing a tie and by inviting you to use a chummy nickname for them, they hope you'll overlook the fact they're the grandson of a baronet and went to Eton. Presumably jleyank thinks the same might boost the popularity of the royals. Personally I'm not so sure - the level of ostentation surrounding the royals is so ridiculously over-the-top that you can't possibly take it seriously. Scale it back carelessly and it might start looking sincere, and that's the last thing we want.
Someone 4y ago
> Constitutional monarchs are a valid form of non political heads of state IMO, such a role should not be inherited. Locking a family in such a golden cage is cruel, and should be forbidden. (I’ll ignore the possibility of an elected monarch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy)) > And they should dial the ostentation back to 4-5, in line with the other countries in Europe Further back than that, IMO. Even non-royal heads of state can have too much grandeur (example: presidents of France). The real role model are presidents such as those of Germany and Austria. If you ask somebody “Who’s the president of Germany?” I think it’s likelier to get the response “Does Germany _have_ a president?” than to get the right answer (currently Frank-Walter Steinmeier)
pyuser583 4y ago
Do you think the “overseas” monarchy played a positive role in Rhodesia or Fiji? In both cases you had a country going off the rails, the “overseas monarch” said “do what you want, but don’t attach my name to it” and they became a republic. If Rhodesia had been a republic from the beginning, it would have been easier for them to get international recognition.
krapp 4y ago
> And they should dial the ostentation back to 4-5, in line with the other countries in Europe. Let Disney handle the Magic Princesses. Absolutely not. The pompous spectacle is the only thing about the monarchy worth paying attention to. I mean, just look at this jackass[0]. This is a grown man in an ostensibly modern country, whose privilege and position are taken so seriously people are expected to take public vows of loyalty to him and get arrested for disrespecting him, and he's dressed like an anime villain. The tassels on his cape are bigger than his head. [0]https://www.instagram.com/p/CnXkIHPP0er/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CnXkIHPP0er/

cal85 4y ago

Why should they dial the ostentation back?

jleyank 4y ago
Their existence depends on the tolerance of the taxed. Burn that out and theyll have to work for a living. Edit as I can’t reply…. Japan’s royalty has been around far longer but isn’t particularly fancy. Denmark’s is similar in duration to the post Norman uk, similarly “mild”. People don’t like seeing such behaviour in lean times.
- 988747 4y ago
  [dead]
- cal85 4y ago
  I’m not sure. The most successful, enduring ‘royal family’ in the world appears to be the one that has been the most careful to conserve all the ostentation.
  - fakedang 4y ago
    Well Japanese royalty is most certainly not ostentatious.
    - cal85 4y ago
      Fair point, enduring wasn’t the best word. But point is, the British one is a standout successful one, and also a standout ostentatious one. Every time there’s some big royal thing going on, people talk about how it’s too ostentatious and it will never survive like that, but revealed preferences seem to show that is its greatest strength.
- usrusr 4y ago
  Are those monarchies even tax funded? A separation between private ("house") and state property is usually much older than even the earliest traces of democratization and when they got to where they are today without completely losing their formal status, the house property will have survived just fine. Apply the supposedly not-feudal-at-all mechanisms of free market to those (land-)lords and you get something generously funded by nothing but privileged birth.
michaelt 4y ago
Some members of the ruling class prefer to present themselves as 'normal' people who are 'just like you'. For example, by not wearing a tie and by inviting you to use a chummy nickname for them, they hope you'll overlook the fact they're the grandson of a baronet and went to Eton. Presumably jleyank thinks the same might boost the popularity of the royals. Personally I'm not so sure - the level of ostentation surrounding the royals is so ridiculously over-the-top that you can't possibly take it seriously. Scale it back carelessly and it might start looking sincere, and that's the last thing we want.

Someone 4y ago

> Constitutional monarchs are a valid form of non political heads of state IMO, such a role should not be inherited. Locking a family in such a golden cage is cruel, and should be forbidden. (I’ll ignore the possibility of an elected monarch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy)) > And they should dial the ostentation back to 4-5, in line with the other countries in Europe Further back than that, IMO. Even non-royal heads of state can have too much grandeur (example: presidents of France). The real role model are presidents such as those of Germany and Austria. If you ask somebody “Who’s the president of Germany?” I think it’s likelier to get the response “Does Germany _have_ a president?” than to get the right answer (currently Frank-Walter Steinmeier)

pyuser583 4y ago

Do you think the “overseas” monarchy played a positive role in Rhodesia or Fiji? In both cases you had a country going off the rails, the “overseas monarch” said “do what you want, but don’t attach my name to it” and they became a republic. If Rhodesia had been a republic from the beginning, it would have been easier for them to get international recognition.

krapp 4y ago

> And they should dial the ostentation back to 4-5, in line with the other countries in Europe. Let Disney handle the Magic Princesses. Absolutely not. The pompous spectacle is the only thing about the monarchy worth paying attention to. I mean, just look at this jackass[0]. This is a grown man in an ostensibly modern country, whose privilege and position are taken so seriously people are expected to take public vows of loyalty to him and get arrested for disrespecting him, and he's dressed like an anime villain. The tassels on his cape are bigger than his head. [0]https://www.instagram.com/p/CnXkIHPP0er/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CnXkIHPP0er/