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In the EU we already have a law for protecting whistleblowers: https://commission.europa.eu/aid-development-cooperation-fundamental-rights/your-rights-eu/prote

In the EU we already have a law for protecting whistleblowers: https://commission.europa.eu/aid-development-cooperation-fundamental-rights/your-rights-eu/protection-whistleblowers_en https://commission.europa.eu/aid-development-cooperation-fun... Also companies have emerged for providing secure platforms for whistleblowers. Though, as national security and related things are in the hands of the member states, I am not sure how well this EU law and its national adaptations apply to the cases discussed in this article (probably wholesale exemptions have been adopted by the member states at this front). EDIT #1: At some point they also tried to draft a law for protecting people involved in vulnerability disclosure, which would have been great, but I think this lawmaking proposal failed. EDIT #2: I should have read the article better; it seems similar laws exist also in the US.

scrum-treats 4y ago
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hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
The US also has laws protecting whistleblowers, which to me just highlighted the complete moral bankruptcy of some Republican members of the US Congress when they tried to out the whistleblower who brought Trump's phone call with the Ukrainian president to light, but more importantly, when they tried to impugn his motives. The thing that made me so angry about this is that a huge point of whistleblower laws is that it doesn't matter what the motives of the whistleblower are. Of course many whistleblowers are disgruntled for various reasons, but who cares? Whistleblowing laws aren't about taking the whistleblower's accusations at face value, it's just about protecting whistleblowers' ability to bring inside information and evidence to light, and then that information can be investigated independently. The push by folks like Rand Paul to expose and condemn the whistleblower was one of the most disgusting political acts I've ever seen.
- h2odragon 4y ago
  I found the treatment of Julian Assange to be the disgusting poltics; after that its just more of the same, innit?
  - gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
    The treatment of Assange defies belief, and the hypocrisy is off the scale. The defense from many people who would nominally be appalled by this, seems to rest on the poor character of Assange, so he gets written off. The poor character point may or may not be correct, but is completely irrelevant, and if it relates to civil or criminal offences then it has never been allowed to be tested.
    - kelipso 4y ago
      Also it's just insanely easy to malign the character of someone with a few well placed news articles and tweets.
  - alphanullmeric 4y ago
    No, it’s not the same because it doesn’t benefit him this time. Leftists are like libertarians, if libertarians only applied their principles to themselves. Bodily autonomy, firearm rights, private property, taxation, misinformation censorship, death penalty, etc. Whether or not they support it depends not on what it does but who it benefits, and so a left winger can never truly take a concrete position like “I support gun control” when they need to make exceptions for SRA, Natives, Palestinians, etc.
    - gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
      Putting aside your implied definition of Leftists here. The Palestinian point is broadly enlightening, but maybe not in the way you intended. Armed struggle for the purpose of self determination should be materially supported in Ukraine, but not in Palestine. This is the glowing contradiction, and I'm not sure real leftists are the most guilty party here.
      - alphanullmeric 4y ago
        I don’t want to materially support either country.
- RobotToaster 4y ago
  US law doesn't allow public interest as a defence defence, that was partly why Snowden refused to return to the US. https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Justice-Dept-sues-for-proceeds-from-Edward-14446748.php https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Justice-Dept-s...
- bourbonorgin 4y ago
  are there any whistleblowers who keep working in their field in the US?
mnaxv 4y ago
The cartoon at the top of the article highlights the fact that the laws aren't working (the UK was in the EU when some of these people were imprisoned).
wsc981 4y ago
Yet the EU continues to make life very difficult for EU whistleblower Roelie Post [0]. Perhaps because she fought against child trafficking and US-based adoption firms are lobbying in the EU for adopting vulnerable children from countries like Romania. --- [0]: http://www.roeliepost.com/about/ http://www.roeliepost.com/about/
- jruohonen 4y ago
  I didn't know that. Nor am I claiming that the law is working properly or have any evidence to any direction. The recent issues at UN are also "interesting": https://www.transparency.org/en/press/un-whistleblower-expos%C3%A9-independent-inquiry-urgent-reforms https://www.transparency.org/en/press/un-whistleblower-expos...
lost_tourist 4y ago
Laws are pointless if they aren't used. The US has laws to allow whistleblowing. However they are so vague US prosecutors can easily get around them to prosecute and imprison whistleblowers, and the system itself is so corrupt that the "channels" you would use to actually do it would shut down the process almost immediately to save embarrassment to the government. The laws are just feel good laws and don't work, that's why people go straight to the press.

scrum-treats 4y ago

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hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

The US also has laws protecting whistleblowers, which to me just highlighted the complete moral bankruptcy of some Republican members of the US Congress when they tried to out the whistleblower who brought Trump's phone call with the Ukrainian president to light, but more importantly, when they tried to impugn his motives. The thing that made me so angry about this is that a huge point of whistleblower laws is that it doesn't matter what the motives of the whistleblower are. Of course many whistleblowers are disgruntled for various reasons, but who cares? Whistleblowing laws aren't about taking the whistleblower's accusations at face value, it's just about protecting whistleblowers' ability to bring inside information and evidence to light, and then that information can be investigated independently. The push by folks like Rand Paul to expose and condemn the whistleblower was one of the most disgusting political acts I've ever seen.

h2odragon 4y ago
I found the treatment of Julian Assange to be the disgusting poltics; after that its just more of the same, innit?
- gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
  The treatment of Assange defies belief, and the hypocrisy is off the scale. The defense from many people who would nominally be appalled by this, seems to rest on the poor character of Assange, so he gets written off. The poor character point may or may not be correct, but is completely irrelevant, and if it relates to civil or criminal offences then it has never been allowed to be tested.
  - kelipso 4y ago
    Also it's just insanely easy to malign the character of someone with a few well placed news articles and tweets.
- alphanullmeric 4y ago
  No, it’s not the same because it doesn’t benefit him this time. Leftists are like libertarians, if libertarians only applied their principles to themselves. Bodily autonomy, firearm rights, private property, taxation, misinformation censorship, death penalty, etc. Whether or not they support it depends not on what it does but who it benefits, and so a left winger can never truly take a concrete position like “I support gun control” when they need to make exceptions for SRA, Natives, Palestinians, etc.
  - gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
    Putting aside your implied definition of Leftists here. The Palestinian point is broadly enlightening, but maybe not in the way you intended. Armed struggle for the purpose of self determination should be materially supported in Ukraine, but not in Palestine. This is the glowing contradiction, and I'm not sure real leftists are the most guilty party here.
    - alphanullmeric 4y ago
      I don’t want to materially support either country.
RobotToaster 4y ago
US law doesn't allow public interest as a defence defence, that was partly why Snowden refused to return to the US. https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Justice-Dept-sues-for-proceeds-from-Edward-14446748.php https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Justice-Dept-s...
bourbonorgin 4y ago
are there any whistleblowers who keep working in their field in the US?

mnaxv 4y ago

The cartoon at the top of the article highlights the fact that the laws aren't working (the UK was in the EU when some of these people were imprisoned).

wsc981 4y ago

Yet the EU continues to make life very difficult for EU whistleblower Roelie Post [0]. Perhaps because she fought against child trafficking and US-based adoption firms are lobbying in the EU for adopting vulnerable children from countries like Romania. --- [0]: http://www.roeliepost.com/about/ http://www.roeliepost.com/about/

jruohonen 4y ago
I didn't know that. Nor am I claiming that the law is working properly or have any evidence to any direction. The recent issues at UN are also "interesting": https://www.transparency.org/en/press/un-whistleblower-expos%C3%A9-independent-inquiry-urgent-reforms https://www.transparency.org/en/press/un-whistleblower-expos...

lost_tourist 4y ago

Laws are pointless if they aren't used. The US has laws to allow whistleblowing. However they are so vague US prosecutors can easily get around them to prosecute and imprison whistleblowers, and the system itself is so corrupt that the "channels" you would use to actually do it would shut down the process almost immediately to save embarrassment to the government. The laws are just feel good laws and don't work, that's why people go straight to the press.