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Why should housing be a right, and not food? Food is even more crucial for survival.

by badpun 4y ago

shitlord 4y ago
When people say "food is a human right" they typically want the government to provide food to the hungry. They don't want to make it illegal to operate a restaurant. When people say "housing is a human right", what they really mean is that they want to outlaw renting or even private home ownership. If the government moved every homeless person to Wyoming and gave them a home, that wouldn't be enough.
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  on one hand: no, nobody wants to outlaw private home ownership aside from tankies, and everybody hates tankies. On the other, that'd probably make Wyoming a kickass place to live in.
ohgodplsno 4y ago
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights defines the right to adequate standards of living. It includes housing, food, medical care. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including foods, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. So, yes, they're both part of the same human rights. Note that the US has not ratified the UDHR, because... Well, it's the US.
- badpun 4y ago
  > The Universal Declaration of Human Rights defines the right to adequate standards of living. It includes housing, food, medical care. If I have a right to an adequate standard of living then why should I work? Why should anyone (except those uncommon cases of people who actually enjoy their jobs). I have a right to all the stuff I need already. Now, who do I sue so that it's actually delivered? :)
  - ohgodplsno 4y ago
    You ask for this in the snarkiest of ways but... Yes? You actually have a right to all of this, and in many countries, while not ideal, you have such a form of things. You're polish, so you have a right to social security, to a guaranteed amount of money during retirement, a bunch of allowances (zasilek staly/okresowy/celowy and a lot more) So, why would you work? Aside from the fact that you can legitimately ask that question (productivity has increased a hundredfold in the past years, yet your salary has not. Clearly someone has pocketed that difference, and sadly we can't blame PiS for everything), the right to laziness being an actively debated subject in many circles, from economic to philosophical, note that it says "adequate". If you are content with a basic house, heating and food, sure, stay at home. If you intend to have things like a TV, a PC, books, vacations outside, a social life, you might want to work to pay for them. And with basic needs covered, you can actually work and do something you enjoy, instead of holding a miserable job because you have no choice but to. >Now, who do I sue so that it's actually delivered? :) I would recommend Ministerstwo Rodziny, Pracy i Polityki Społecznej as well as Parlament Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej. Good luck :)
    - badpun 4y ago
      > productivity has increased a hundredfold in the past years, yet your salary has not. What? For comparison, check out the standard of living of a 1900 century laborer. Or a 1500 peasant for that matter. We live like kings, compared to both of them.
jamilton 4y ago
Who said food shouldn't be a right?

Why should housing be a right, and not food? Food is even more crucial for survival.

by badpun 4y ago

Why should housing be a right, and not food? Food is even more crucial for survival.

When people say "food is a human right" they typically want the government to provide food to the hungry. They don't want to make it illegal to operate a restaurant. When people say "housing is a human right", what they really mean is that they want to outlaw renting or even private home ownership. If the government moved every homeless person to Wyoming and gave them a home, that wouldn't be enough.

ohgodplsno 4y ago
on one hand: no, nobody wants to outlaw private home ownership aside from tankies, and everybody hates tankies. On the other, that'd probably make Wyoming a kickass place to live in.

ohgodplsno 4y ago

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights defines the right to adequate standards of living. It includes housing, food, medical care. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including foods, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. So, yes, they're both part of the same human rights. Note that the US has not ratified the UDHR, because... Well, it's the US.

badpun 4y ago
> The Universal Declaration of Human Rights defines the right to adequate standards of living. It includes housing, food, medical care. If I have a right to an adequate standard of living then why should I work? Why should anyone (except those uncommon cases of people who actually enjoy their jobs). I have a right to all the stuff I need already. Now, who do I sue so that it's actually delivered? :)
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  You ask for this in the snarkiest of ways but... Yes? You actually have a right to all of this, and in many countries, while not ideal, you have such a form of things. You're polish, so you have a right to social security, to a guaranteed amount of money during retirement, a bunch of allowances (zasilek staly/okresowy/celowy and a lot more) So, why would you work? Aside from the fact that you can legitimately ask that question (productivity has increased a hundredfold in the past years, yet your salary has not. Clearly someone has pocketed that difference, and sadly we can't blame PiS for everything), the right to laziness being an actively debated subject in many circles, from economic to philosophical, note that it says "adequate". If you are content with a basic house, heating and food, sure, stay at home. If you intend to have things like a TV, a PC, books, vacations outside, a social life, you might want to work to pay for them. And with basic needs covered, you can actually work and do something you enjoy, instead of holding a miserable job because you have no choice but to. >Now, who do I sue so that it's actually delivered? :) I would recommend Ministerstwo Rodziny, Pracy i Polityki Społecznej as well as Parlament Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej. Good luck :)
  - badpun 4y ago
    > productivity has increased a hundredfold in the past years, yet your salary has not. What? For comparison, check out the standard of living of a 1900 century laborer. Or a 1500 peasant for that matter. We live like kings, compared to both of them.

jamilton 4y ago

Who said food shouldn't be a right?