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Gas stoves need to go away because getting rid of gas infrastructure in the long term will be a huge win, but the gas industry spends heavily on propaganda to c

• CyberDildonics 4y ago
  If gas infrastructure is the problem, why focus on gas stoves and not gas water heaters and furnaces?
  • throwaway5959 4y ago
    Why not all three? Just stop using gas altogether. I pass enough of it myself, thanks. Edit: why am I being downvoted? Is it not a legitimate question to ask why not go all the way with converting to electric when appliances exist for all three use cases? Do my farts stink too bad?
    • CyberDildonics 4y ago
      Because gas stoves are the easiest to replace. If someone doesn't have gas lines in their house, they'll just use an electric stove. Replacing a water heater or furnace either needs heat pumps or resistive heat and it becomes potentially much more expensive. Stoves don't matter in the big picture here, they are secondary to whatever people are already doing for heat.
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      • SoftTalker 4y ago
        If you have a gas stove, you probably don't have a circuit or wiring or receptacle to plug in an electric stove. So you'll need to get a 240V circuit installed, which for most people will require hiring an electrician. Same as putting in a heat pump.
        • CyberDildonics 4y ago
          So what? You already have electricity. If you don't have a gas line to your house, you aren't going to get one for a gas stove. Again, gas stoves are secondary to having gas in the first place, focusing on them is nonsense whether someone wants gas or not.
          • SoftTalker 4y ago
            You said "gas stoves are easiest to replace" when in fact if that is what you have, replacing it with anything but another gas stove is difficut (or at least, more expensive)
            • CyberDildonics 4y ago
              Replacing a gas stove with an electric stove is much easier and less expensive in the long run than replacing water heaters and furnaces with electric versions. Also this isn't about replacing a working stove in an existing building it's about substituting electric versions for gas versions if there are no gas lines, so I think you missed the entire context of the thread.
        • brewdad 4y ago
          I sure do and my house was very much a basic median market build but built by a smaller builder who only does 2-6 homes a year. An electric oven is far superior to a gas oven but I do enjoy my gas cooktop. It’s all in one like a standard range but is listed as a dual-fuel model. As an easy first step, we need to mandate the 220v hookup in all new kitchens and then phase out the gas. A simple building code adjustment would do the trick and putting the receptacle in at the time of construction is cheap compared to a retrofit.
  • ororroro 4y ago
    You may have confused the debate with the legislation. In NYC all gas is out under Local Law 154 of 2021.
  • rhaway84773 4y ago
    No one is banning gas stoves. They’re banning gas hookups which will indeed remove gas water heaters and furnaces. The fact that NY’s decision to ban gas hookups in new buildings is being framed as banning gas stoves is in itself the result of gas industry propaganda. In fact, Gas stoves are the one thing that can easily be continued because people can use gas cylinders.
• paganel 4y ago
  > in the long term will be a huge win Huge win for whom? > but the gas industry spends heavily on propaganda to convince people otherwise: Propaganda goes both ways.
  • rnk 4y ago
    Obviously getting rid of gas stoves is good for the environment. In the US, the only conceivable use I see for them longer term is camping stoves and extremely remote houses that don't have electricity. I'm guessing you have some other view from your comment, please explain.
  • oblio 4y ago
    > Huge win for whom? Us. We can make electricity from lots of things and turns out in about 10 years a lot of it will be made from renewables in most countries, and the trend is only going one way. There's a reason there is a push to electrify everything.
• xyzzyz 4y ago
  Much more money is spent on climate change propaganda than there is on gas propaganda. I see climate change propaganda almost every day, but pro fossil propaganda extremely rarely. I think that this is because fossil fuels are extremely useful in practice, and so the users don’t need to be convinced of their benefits.
  • xorcist 4y ago
    > climate change propaganda almost every day, but pro fossil propaganda Most people would understand those two phrases to mean the same thing. Is there any other kind of propaganda?
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  • oblio 4y ago
    > I see climate change propaganda almost every day, but pro fossil propaganda extremely rarely. Ever heard of "the status quo"? If my stuff is dominant, I either say nothing or make it so that any other proposal looks like it's new and risky or crazy. You know, FUD. Propaganda has a lifecycle. Not every kind of propaganda is the same or as obvious. And you're falling for the fossil fuel one, good job!