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They also keep threatening to ban the replacement of existing gas appliances when they cannot be repaired. I will be moving my family out of state before this h

They also keep threatening to ban the replacement of existing gas appliances when they cannot be repaired. I will be moving my family out of state before this happens. Any of you electronauts interested in a ~5000sqft home in the middle of a picturesque village with no crime? You'll have to call the gas company about removing the hookup after you move in.

roflyear 3y ago
So strange what people choose to care about
- tohnjitor 3y ago
  It's the last straw in a long list of offensive and disrespectful actions the state government has taken.
  - carabiner 3y ago
    Americans are fucking nuts. Induction works 10x better than gas.
    - tohnjitor 3y ago
      Induction won't fill my cast iron radiator system with steam.
      - roflyear 3y ago
        Who is removing your gas heat?
    - roflyear 3y ago
      Yeah pretty crazy what people care about. This guy seems to live in (according to them) beautiful place they seem to like, no crime, huge house (5,000 sqft is massive), and they are upset about natural gas. ???
    - danny_codes 3y ago
      Exactly. This dood drank the gas lobby koolaide hard
  - roflyear 3y ago
    It's a joke to say "I live in a picturesque place with no crime, but I'm going to move if I can't use my gas stove"
amluto 3y ago
Lots of places like this don’t have natural gas. It’s often propane tanks, which have their own issues. Natural gas plumbing is not some magical, amazing thing that magically delivers a much-maligned but otherwise perfect product. It’s an explosive gas that’s piped through underground pipes with fancy pressure regulators and hopefully ends up somewhere useful. Those pipes are expensive, the regulators are complex and can leak or fail, sometimes spectacularly, and the final product is not that useful when delivered to houses. (And it’s not practical to make your own combustible gas at home, whereas making your own electricity can be done in several ways.) If I were developing a new community from scratch, I would not install gas plumbing. The utilities would be fiber, electricity, water, sewage, and possibly district heating of some sort. This has nothing to do with regulations, just practicality.
- hackernewds 3y ago
  How do you reckon district heating would work, better than gas heating?
  - amluto 3y ago
    With underground pipes carrying warm water and returning colder water to the plant [0]. This is agnostic to the heat source, small leaks are not polluting or dangerous, and large leaks don’t explode. IMO the real problems with district heating are a lack of large-scale standardization (you can’t go to your local HVAC installer and ask for an off-the-shelf heater to pair with a district heating system) and that heat pumps are good enough and cheap enough that they erase some of the benefit. That being said, a district heating system can inexpensively store heat for later use, whereas electric systems cannot easily do this. (Gas can be stored inexpensively on a large scale, too, which I think is really the major remaining current benefit of natural gas over electricity.) I can imagine a modern system for a cold-but-mostly-sunny climate: a big PV (and optionally wind) installation produces electricity. When electricity is cheap (sunny / windy conditions), heat pumps heat a thermal reservoir sized to hold a few weeks of heat (this could be a large container of water or even just a bunch of earth insulated on the sides). During cold conditions with less power, heat from the reservoir is used for district heat. I don’t know whether this would be economical compared to batteries, pumped hydro, gas peaking plants, etc. [0] District heating with steam is a thing, but it requires higher temperatures, which is not so great if the heat source is a heat pump or waste heat from a lowish-temperature process. It’s not even great if the source is a dedicated boiler, since more energy is available from the same amount of fuel if the flue gas can be cooled below its condensation temperature. (Old systems did not do that, since the materials they were made of would be rapidly corroded by condensate.)

roflyear 3y ago

So strange what people choose to care about

tohnjitor 3y ago
It's the last straw in a long list of offensive and disrespectful actions the state government has taken.
- carabiner 3y ago
  Americans are fucking nuts. Induction works 10x better than gas.
  - tohnjitor 3y ago
    Induction won't fill my cast iron radiator system with steam.
    - roflyear 3y ago
      Who is removing your gas heat?
  - roflyear 3y ago
    Yeah pretty crazy what people care about. This guy seems to live in (according to them) beautiful place they seem to like, no crime, huge house (5,000 sqft is massive), and they are upset about natural gas. ???
  - danny_codes 3y ago
    Exactly. This dood drank the gas lobby koolaide hard
- roflyear 3y ago
  It's a joke to say "I live in a picturesque place with no crime, but I'm going to move if I can't use my gas stove"

amluto 3y ago

Lots of places like this don’t have natural gas. It’s often propane tanks, which have their own issues. Natural gas plumbing is not some magical, amazing thing that magically delivers a much-maligned but otherwise perfect product. It’s an explosive gas that’s piped through underground pipes with fancy pressure regulators and hopefully ends up somewhere useful. Those pipes are expensive, the regulators are complex and can leak or fail, sometimes spectacularly, and the final product is not that useful when delivered to houses. (And it’s not practical to make your own combustible gas at home, whereas making your own electricity can be done in several ways.) If I were developing a new community from scratch, I would not install gas plumbing. The utilities would be fiber, electricity, water, sewage, and possibly district heating of some sort. This has nothing to do with regulations, just practicality.

hackernewds 3y ago
How do you reckon district heating would work, better than gas heating?
- amluto 3y ago
  With underground pipes carrying warm water and returning colder water to the plant [0]. This is agnostic to the heat source, small leaks are not polluting or dangerous, and large leaks don’t explode. IMO the real problems with district heating are a lack of large-scale standardization (you can’t go to your local HVAC installer and ask for an off-the-shelf heater to pair with a district heating system) and that heat pumps are good enough and cheap enough that they erase some of the benefit. That being said, a district heating system can inexpensively store heat for later use, whereas electric systems cannot easily do this. (Gas can be stored inexpensively on a large scale, too, which I think is really the major remaining current benefit of natural gas over electricity.) I can imagine a modern system for a cold-but-mostly-sunny climate: a big PV (and optionally wind) installation produces electricity. When electricity is cheap (sunny / windy conditions), heat pumps heat a thermal reservoir sized to hold a few weeks of heat (this could be a large container of water or even just a bunch of earth insulated on the sides). During cold conditions with less power, heat from the reservoir is used for district heat. I don’t know whether this would be economical compared to batteries, pumped hydro, gas peaking plants, etc. [0] District heating with steam is a thing, but it requires higher temperatures, which is not so great if the heat source is a heat pump or waste heat from a lowish-temperature process. It’s not even great if the source is a dedicated boiler, since more energy is available from the same amount of fuel if the flue gas can be cooled below its condensation temperature. (Old systems did not do that, since the materials they were made of would be rapidly corroded by condensate.)