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Do you think such a person can do anything they put their mind to? Also I don't know where skin pigmentation came into this though I'll admit I didn't read the

Do you think such a person can do anything they put their mind to? Also I don't know where skin pigmentation came into this though I'll admit I didn't read the article - does it say something about differential racial effects?

zmgsabst 4y ago
That’s within the context of my comment. Also, extremely unlikely. But they’ll be better served by the mentality that they can than worrying about a victim narrative about how they’ll never be able to succeed. Eg, this. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/10/12/after-becoming-first-ironman-with-down-syndrome-chris-nikic-conquers-boston-marathon/ https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/10/12/after-bec...
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  Do you think repeatedly failing to achieve a goal that you may never have been able to in the first place is good for mental health? Getting people to believe some lie about how they can achieve anything might make you feel better, but it seems fundamentally dishonest; despite what we may wish, not all the children can be above average. I'm glad the person in your example has the support required to spend his time doing non-productive sports that he enjoys, that's very nice and I wish more people had that opportunity, but do you think he'll ever be able to live independently?
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    I think it’s better for mental health than not trying due to grievance and negging narratives. Most people calibrate their expectations; the people who don’t sometimes succeed — and don’t seem to wither the way people who don’t try tend to. Again, my point isn’t that they’ll all succeed — but they’re strictly better off with a mentality that they should try. To your point about living independently, that’s exactly my point: the ones trying live more independently and require less support because they do the most they can — rather than emotionally imploding, not trying, and requiring extra support. That’s better for both them and their caregivers.

zmgsabst 4y ago

That’s within the context of my comment. Also, extremely unlikely. But they’ll be better served by the mentality that they can than worrying about a victim narrative about how they’ll never be able to succeed. Eg, this. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/10/12/after-becoming-first-ironman-with-down-syndrome-chris-nikic-conquers-boston-marathon/ https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/10/12/after-bec...

hotpotamus 4y ago
Do you think repeatedly failing to achieve a goal that you may never have been able to in the first place is good for mental health? Getting people to believe some lie about how they can achieve anything might make you feel better, but it seems fundamentally dishonest; despite what we may wish, not all the children can be above average. I'm glad the person in your example has the support required to spend his time doing non-productive sports that he enjoys, that's very nice and I wish more people had that opportunity, but do you think he'll ever be able to live independently?
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  I think it’s better for mental health than not trying due to grievance and negging narratives. Most people calibrate their expectations; the people who don’t sometimes succeed — and don’t seem to wither the way people who don’t try tend to. Again, my point isn’t that they’ll all succeed — but they’re strictly better off with a mentality that they should try. To your point about living independently, that’s exactly my point: the ones trying live more independently and require less support because they do the most they can — rather than emotionally imploding, not trying, and requiring extra support. That’s better for both them and their caregivers.