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this is the hardest of all. When it comes to men's day, indeed all day is celebration of 20% higher salaries that men receive in average. OTOH, introducing men

by kmarc 3y ago

this is the hardest of all. When it comes to men's day, indeed all day is celebration of 20% higher salaries that men receive in average. OTOH, introducing men's day sounds fair as then everyone is treated equally (in this aspect) I really don't know which side of this particular debate we should support more. What I'm sure is that the topic is more delicate and complicated than having a one-sentence answer to it.

revelio 3y ago
See, this is exactly what we're talking about. Firstly, every day is clearly not a celebration of men. This is exactly the same lie that the feminists pushed in the Slack channel. A "celebration" has lots of very specific aspects to it, for example they wanted the company doing public announcements, praising female employees (for existing, more or less), talking about how important it is to hire more women and so on. Secondly, men don't receive higher salaries when controlling for the work done and age. When you control for those things women now earn higher salaries, reflecting feminist biases in hiring. This insistence that work and motherhood should be ignored is also a feminist meme that's been repeatedly debunked since the 1980s. It never goes away because if feminists were to accept this, they'd have to also concede that different choices lead to different outcomes, that men and women make different choices, and therefore that disparate outcomes is not oppression. And that would undermine the whole premise of feminist ideology. So feminists can never be honest about salaries, if they were, they'd no longer be feminists.
whstl 3y ago
There is a "Men's day" where I live and it's not really controversial at all among the vast majority. In fact, it's a very practical holiday that encourages male bonding and keeping long-term friendships, something lacking these days, so it's not just symbolic. Other initiatives such as November 19 and Movember also have a lot of practical stuff, related to health. I really don't see what's the controversy.

by kmarc 3y ago

revelio 3y ago

See, this is exactly what we're talking about. Firstly, every day is clearly not a celebration of men. This is exactly the same lie that the feminists pushed in the Slack channel. A "celebration" has lots of very specific aspects to it, for example they wanted the company doing public announcements, praising female employees (for existing, more or less), talking about how important it is to hire more women and so on. Secondly, men don't receive higher salaries when controlling for the work done and age. When you control for those things women now earn higher salaries, reflecting feminist biases in hiring. This insistence that work and motherhood should be ignored is also a feminist meme that's been repeatedly debunked since the 1980s. It never goes away because if feminists were to accept this, they'd have to also concede that different choices lead to different outcomes, that men and women make different choices, and therefore that disparate outcomes is not oppression. And that would undermine the whole premise of feminist ideology. So feminists can never be honest about salaries, if they were, they'd no longer be feminists.

whstl 3y ago

There is a "Men's day" where I live and it's not really controversial at all among the vast majority. In fact, it's a very practical holiday that encourages male bonding and keeping long-term friendships, something lacking these days, so it's not just symbolic. Other initiatives such as November 19 and Movember also have a lot of practical stuff, related to health. I really don't see what's the controversy.