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How about spend less time on Instagram and TikTok and more in nature?

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prohobo 4y ago
Teens don't know about this and it's unfair to expect them to. For them Insta and TikTok are part of social life, and basically necessary. Parents are obviously to blame; most are ambivalent or enmeshed in social media themselves. Their communities are to blame as well. I wonder, do schools ever address these issues? Or do they just tell kids to put down their phones in class?
- jdthedisciple 4y ago
  I am 100% with you. Parents should have the right and responsibility to monitor and regulate their children's consumption of aforementioned tools.
  - dotandgtfo 4y ago
    Yes, personal responsibility™ is the root cause here. Not corporations that have been making hyper addictive applications and maximising engagement for profit. While I don't blame anyone solely, there's lots of blame to go around - solely blaming the parents doesn't hold up. Kids are ostracized if they don't have a smartphone, don't have TikTok, and don't have YouTube. It's easy to blame the parents, but it's unreasonable to expect them to know how to deal with new technology and how to enforce it with kids. Probably an unpopular take here, but I think within a decade or so social media and technology will have it's "smoking moment" and be regulated harder. Probably some sort of age limits, protections for minors and enforced parental controls (like whitelisted channels, screentime, and such). As today it's pretty much impossible for a parent to see what kids are doing on these applications, and pretty much impossible for them to enforce it if they aren't in the same room.
    - markrankin 4y ago
      I studied Human Geography in my undergrad. Our prof predicted a social media crash would be around 2050 due to declining global population. However, I think this crash is coming quicker than we thought in 2012. The digital twin isn’t in real time, only near real time with some lag.
    - prohobo 4y ago
      When I say parents, I mean precisely the people who should be regulating these things and dealing with the corporations. Parents are the adults in society, so if they're not doing anything about it then no one is.
    - caeril 4y ago
      > Kids are ostracized if they don't have a smartphone So? I was ostracized for being into science, math, and computers in the early 90s. It sucked at the time, but at the end of the day it's better having a solid filter for who are the superficial garbage people, and who are not. Kids are ostracized in different generations for different things. It's in our nature to be shitty to each other. Oh, Johnny doesn't think I'm cool because I don't post vapid content on instagram? That's a win, because now I can regard Johnny as the trash that he is.
  - TwoNineA 4y ago
    Do you blame personal responsibility for the obesity epidemic? Do you blame personal responsibility for a smoker’s lung cancer? Do you blame personal responsibility for the liver failure of an alcoholic? Do you blame personal responsibility for the Rohingya genocide? It’s easy to blame the parents when Meta creates a hyper addictive application with beauty filters for example that amplifies society’s pressure on young girls to be of a certain pre-determined “norm”. The issues young girls are facing go far beyond the extremely narrow view of “it’s the parent’s fault”.
    - Turing_Machine 4y ago
      > Do you blame personal responsibility for the Rohingya genocide? Umm.... yes? I mean, who should be blamed for a genocide other than the people who carried it out? (edited to remove unnecessary snark)
      - TwoNineA 4y ago
        Meta had a nice helping hand in it. Maybe they should take blame too?
        Turing_Machine 4y ago
        Sorry, I've never been very sympathetic to "The Devil/Meta made me do it" excuses. You are aware that literally billions of people somehow manage to use Facebook without going out afterward and murdering their neighbors, yes?
    - prohobo 4y ago
      Yes, I always blame people for the things they do; to themselves, and to others. There is a time where it's excusable, like when it wasn't clear that smoking causes cancer. But when you should know, then you should know. I also understand that addiction is extremely difficult to fight, so I don't judge people who are addicted. But it is still their responsibility to solve the problem, or not to. It's the community's responsibility to support people fighting their addictions. I judge people who pretend that there's no problem, say it isn't their responsibility, and let their children get addicted too. Meta, and the entire internet, is a shit show. Corporations poison people's minds and addict them to useless content. They ruin lives. But that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed in myself if I give into it.
scotty79 4y ago
> in nature Is that this boring place where people get abducted from constantly? /s
- the8472 4y ago
  Surely those abductions would be exciting in some sense.
andylynch 4y ago
Difficult when you live like many do in car-centric areas, and rely on others for transport which may also not be affordable or convenient. See also the perpetual complaints about teenagers ’loitering’ in parks etc, and also sales of those same parks to developers by cash-strapped local authorities in many, many places.
gonzo41 4y ago
Complicated problem. Some of the people who read this site, work day in and out to ensure that doesn't happen. When you're pay is connected with not solving a problem it's pretty hard to solve it.
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revelio 4y ago
Will only help if the problem is actually social media but the articles Haidt assembled to show that had a lot of problems. Social media might be a confounder or symptom rather than a cause.
CatWChainsaw 4y ago
They're likely to bring social media with them into nature, take pictures, make remote places popular, and thus ruin them. I'm sure tourism in world-famous cities is guilty of this, but I specifically recall a sunflower field somewhere in Canada that went viral, and people would come to take pictures and leave litter everywhere.

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Teens don't know about this and it's unfair to expect them to. For them Insta and TikTok are part of social life, and basically necessary. Parents are obviously to blame; most are ambivalent or enmeshed in social media themselves. Their communities are to blame as well. I wonder, do schools ever address these issues? Or do they just tell kids to put down their phones in class?

jdthedisciple 4y ago
I am 100% with you. Parents should have the right and responsibility to monitor and regulate their children's consumption of aforementioned tools.
- dotandgtfo 4y ago
  Yes, personal responsibility™ is the root cause here. Not corporations that have been making hyper addictive applications and maximising engagement for profit. While I don't blame anyone solely, there's lots of blame to go around - solely blaming the parents doesn't hold up. Kids are ostracized if they don't have a smartphone, don't have TikTok, and don't have YouTube. It's easy to blame the parents, but it's unreasonable to expect them to know how to deal with new technology and how to enforce it with kids. Probably an unpopular take here, but I think within a decade or so social media and technology will have it's "smoking moment" and be regulated harder. Probably some sort of age limits, protections for minors and enforced parental controls (like whitelisted channels, screentime, and such). As today it's pretty much impossible for a parent to see what kids are doing on these applications, and pretty much impossible for them to enforce it if they aren't in the same room.
  - markrankin 4y ago
    I studied Human Geography in my undergrad. Our prof predicted a social media crash would be around 2050 due to declining global population. However, I think this crash is coming quicker than we thought in 2012. The digital twin isn’t in real time, only near real time with some lag.
  - prohobo 4y ago
    When I say parents, I mean precisely the people who should be regulating these things and dealing with the corporations. Parents are the adults in society, so if they're not doing anything about it then no one is.
  - caeril 4y ago
    > Kids are ostracized if they don't have a smartphone So? I was ostracized for being into science, math, and computers in the early 90s. It sucked at the time, but at the end of the day it's better having a solid filter for who are the superficial garbage people, and who are not. Kids are ostracized in different generations for different things. It's in our nature to be shitty to each other. Oh, Johnny doesn't think I'm cool because I don't post vapid content on instagram? That's a win, because now I can regard Johnny as the trash that he is.
- TwoNineA 4y ago
  Do you blame personal responsibility for the obesity epidemic? Do you blame personal responsibility for a smoker’s lung cancer? Do you blame personal responsibility for the liver failure of an alcoholic? Do you blame personal responsibility for the Rohingya genocide? It’s easy to blame the parents when Meta creates a hyper addictive application with beauty filters for example that amplifies society’s pressure on young girls to be of a certain pre-determined “norm”. The issues young girls are facing go far beyond the extremely narrow view of “it’s the parent’s fault”.
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    > Do you blame personal responsibility for the Rohingya genocide? Umm.... yes? I mean, who should be blamed for a genocide other than the people who carried it out? (edited to remove unnecessary snark)
    - TwoNineA 4y ago
      Meta had a nice helping hand in it. Maybe they should take blame too?
      - Turing_Machine 4y ago
        Sorry, I've never been very sympathetic to "The Devil/Meta made me do it" excuses. You are aware that literally billions of people somehow manage to use Facebook without going out afterward and murdering their neighbors, yes?
  - prohobo 4y ago
    Yes, I always blame people for the things they do; to themselves, and to others. There is a time where it's excusable, like when it wasn't clear that smoking causes cancer. But when you should know, then you should know. I also understand that addiction is extremely difficult to fight, so I don't judge people who are addicted. But it is still their responsibility to solve the problem, or not to. It's the community's responsibility to support people fighting their addictions. I judge people who pretend that there's no problem, say it isn't their responsibility, and let their children get addicted too. Meta, and the entire internet, is a shit show. Corporations poison people's minds and addict them to useless content. They ruin lives. But that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed in myself if I give into it.

scotty79 4y ago

> in nature Is that this boring place where people get abducted from constantly? /s

the8472 4y ago
Surely those abductions would be exciting in some sense.

andylynch 4y ago

Difficult when you live like many do in car-centric areas, and rely on others for transport which may also not be affordable or convenient. See also the perpetual complaints about teenagers ’loitering’ in parks etc, and also sales of those same parks to developers by cash-strapped local authorities in many, many places.

gonzo41 4y ago

Complicated problem. Some of the people who read this site, work day in and out to ensure that doesn't happen. When you're pay is connected with not solving a problem it's pretty hard to solve it.

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revelio 4y ago

Will only help if the problem is actually social media but the articles Haidt assembled to show that had a lot of problems. Social media might be a confounder or symptom rather than a cause.

CatWChainsaw 4y ago

They're likely to bring social media with them into nature, take pictures, make remote places popular, and thus ruin them. I'm sure tourism in world-famous cities is guilty of this, but I specifically recall a sunflower field somewhere in Canada that went viral, and people would come to take pictures and leave litter everywhere.