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How? Because they take the burden of the companies to age verify their users? Right now they really argue that a kid should have read the ToS and get of Scots f

How? Because they take the burden of the companies to age verify their users? Right now they really argue that a kid should have read the ToS and get of Scots free if something happens on their platform.

bdcravens 3y ago
Are you willing to submit your photo ID information to Y Combinator? After all, they have no way of knowing any of us aren't 12 without that information.
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  After all, they have no way of knowing any of us aren't 12 without that information. And equally important, they have no way to really know we aren't 12 even *with* that information. For example, a 12 year old could easily provide a photo of mommy or daddy's ID. Or a photoshopped copy of an older friend's ID? Basically, any reasonably secure verification method will need to be equivalent to the KYM (know your customer) process used by banks --- and a lot of *legal* users will be excluded because they can't pass the test. Many teenager's lack a reasonably secure identity document. The USA suffers from an over abundance of ignorance and stupidity --- and this extends all the way to the government level.
friendlyHornet 3y ago
Yeah just give a scan of your ID to Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, WhatsApp, TikTok, Snapchat, etc There is absolutely no chance that it will ever get leaked, misused or stored unencrypted
- b112 3y ago
  Giving Facebook my picture, in conjunction with ID, is a sure way for the entire platform to do facial recognition on all existing pictures. They already do it, but such a time save to 100% verify who is who. And even if you esque facebook, never have an account, you're one step away from the same happening after a buyout, data share agreement, etc. Banks often get around data sharing laws, by jointly buying companies to perform tasks. Thus, bank 1 owns 20% of an ID company, along with 4 other banks, and can write agreements such as "our associated companies" and such blather. Inside that ID corp, all 5 entites can share data, aggregate it, anonymized it, and then sell it. And as we all know, de-anonymizing is trivial... and if one knows who you are, they now all do, simply via the parent corp buying(for pennies) and de-anonymizing.
  - philjohn 3y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/03/why-is-facebook-shutting-down-its-facial-recognition-system-and-deleting-faceprints https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/03/why-is-fa...
  - friendlyHornet 3y ago
    I don't mind de-anonymizing as much as my ID getting leaked and having my identity stolen because some social media service doesn't follow proper security practices Facebook has already been found to be storing passwords in plaintext [0] How can you trust them, or any other social media for that matter? Even if they do everything right, you are increasing the chance of giving your id to s service is that will get hacked by just giving it to more services * [0] https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-passwords-plaintext-change-yours/ https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-passwords-plaintext-cha...

bdcravens 3y ago

Are you willing to submit your photo ID information to Y Combinator? After all, they have no way of knowing any of us aren't 12 without that information.

jqpabc123 3y ago
After all, they have no way of knowing any of us aren't 12 without that information. And equally important, they have no way to really know we aren't 12 even *with* that information. For example, a 12 year old could easily provide a photo of mommy or daddy's ID. Or a photoshopped copy of an older friend's ID? Basically, any reasonably secure verification method will need to be equivalent to the KYM (know your customer) process used by banks --- and a lot of *legal* users will be excluded because they can't pass the test. Many teenager's lack a reasonably secure identity document. The USA suffers from an over abundance of ignorance and stupidity --- and this extends all the way to the government level.

friendlyHornet 3y ago

Yeah just give a scan of your ID to Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, WhatsApp, TikTok, Snapchat, etc There is absolutely no chance that it will ever get leaked, misused or stored unencrypted

b112 3y ago
Giving Facebook my picture, in conjunction with ID, is a sure way for the entire platform to do facial recognition on all existing pictures. They already do it, but such a time save to 100% verify who is who. And even if you esque facebook, never have an account, you're one step away from the same happening after a buyout, data share agreement, etc. Banks often get around data sharing laws, by jointly buying companies to perform tasks. Thus, bank 1 owns 20% of an ID company, along with 4 other banks, and can write agreements such as "our associated companies" and such blather. Inside that ID corp, all 5 entites can share data, aggregate it, anonymized it, and then sell it. And as we all know, de-anonymizing is trivial... and if one knows who you are, they now all do, simply via the parent corp buying(for pennies) and de-anonymizing.
- philjohn 3y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/03/why-is-facebook-shutting-down-its-facial-recognition-system-and-deleting-faceprints https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/03/why-is-fa...
- friendlyHornet 3y ago
  I don't mind de-anonymizing as much as my ID getting leaked and having my identity stolen because some social media service doesn't follow proper security practices Facebook has already been found to be storing passwords in plaintext [0] How can you trust them, or any other social media for that matter? Even if they do everything right, you are increasing the chance of giving your id to s service is that will get hacked by just giving it to more services * [0] https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-passwords-plaintext-change-yours/ https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-passwords-plaintext-cha...