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Intel Coffee Lake and AMD Zen+ came out around 2017/2018, that's 5 to 6 years ago. I'm not even getting into processors that precede them. I'm well aware compu

Intel Coffee Lake and AMD Zen+ came out around 2017/2018, that's 5 to 6 years ago. I'm not even getting into processors that precede them. I'm well aware computing power for practical use cases has plateaued since around 2011, but those Coffee Lake and Zen+ systems (let alone older) are coming due for replacement/upgrade soon for anyone inside of a lifecycle cadence whether Windows 11 demanded it or not. For anyone who isn't who cares about hanging on to old hardware, it's perfectly fine to just keep running Windows 10. All those guys saying "yOuR sYStEM iS iNSeCurE!!1!1!1" are snake oil merchants wanting to sell you something.

TeMPOraL 4y ago
> For anyone who isn't who cares about hanging on to old hardware, it's perfectly fine to just keep running Windows 10. Increasingly hard to get this days, especially through official channels. Currently, Microsoft actively prevents you from getting a Win10 installer/image, by redirecting all the relevant links to Windows 11 pages. > All those guys saying "yOuR sYStEM iS iNSeCurE!!1!1!1" are snake oil merchants wanting to sell you something. You mean like Microsoft? Saying that the new system is more secure is equivalent to saying your old system is insecure, given everyone's insistence that you either are fully secured or not at all.
- herbstein 4y ago
  > Increasingly hard to get this days, especially through official channels. Currently, Microsoft actively prevents you from getting a Win10 installer/image, by redirecting all the relevant links to Windows 11 pages. Really? I used this just a few weeks ago and definitely got a Windows 10 ISO. https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10ISO https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10ISO For reference, I searched the following on Google > windows 10 iso
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    For context then, some two-three weeks ago, I wanted to upgrade my wife's perfectly good Windows 7 to a Windows 10 (mostly because Chrome has been whining for the past half a year, but also because Spotify plain old denied to start playing music until we upgrade the OS). I went for the in-place upgrade path, which involves downloading a Win10 media creator tool from Microsoft. Links to various Windows 10-related information all redirect to Windows 11 landing pages now. Additionally, I suspected I'll need a new product key. I couldn't get that from Microsoft - every link I've managed to Google also had a redirect to Windows 11. (In the end, I purchased an electronic license from some local software shop. Then it turned out that somehow, Microsoft considers my wife's Win7 license still valid for Win10 Pro, which is nice. I used the key to upgrade another machine, which I thought was on Pro, but actually was on Home.)
dataflow 4y ago
> Intel Coffee Lake and AMD Zen+ came out around 2017/2018, that's 5 to 6 years ago. You're (probably unintentionally) exaggerating, but that's not how it works. When a new CPU comes out, all the machines on the market don't magically replace their CPUs with that one on day 1. The machine I'm typing this comment on right now was a pretty high-end one I got after those CPUs came out, and its CPU is from an older generation. In fact, I don't even recall having seen machines with newer CPUs on the market (at least not with the minimum specs I was looking at) until quite a few months later, though my memory might be hazy here. Sometimes the price points are also a factor here too. > those Coffee Lake and Zen+ systems (let alone older) are coming due for replacement/upgrade soon for anyone inside of a lifecycle cadence whether Windows 11 demanded it or not. That's by no means universally true; there are plenty of good machines out there that work just fine and that people want to keep using. Again, speaking from personal experience, I know my machine is perfectly good and I hope to keep using it for several more years. An older one I had from several years before that, which I gave away for unrelated reasons, was also great, and I would still use it if I had it and my current one somehow broke. There's been literally no reason for me to throw these away anytime soon other than Microsoft forcing me to. Lots of people are being forced to throw away perfectly good hardware because Microsoft/Google/Apple/etc. force them to, often via software.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  I have a Sandy Bridge machine still serving me dutifully as a sub computer to my main computer, so I know all about old hardware never really dying from impracticality especially since 2011 onwards. Hell, I still have a Pentium 4 machine running XP for the stuff that needs/wants that too. As I already said, if you want to keep running Windows 10 (or 7, or XP) it's perfectly fine. Tell everyone who screams "SECURITY!" at you to screw off, they all want to sell you something. Even if you do upgrade to a new machine, why does someone have to throw away their old one? Keep it as a sub computer, or give it a new role in your life. Windows 11 mandates TPM2 and SecureBoot, but it doesn't mandate throwing your old machine in the trash.
  - dataflow 4y ago
    I think we're mostly in agreement (?) but (1) XP isn't really practical nowadays, and (2) as to "why does someone have to throw away their old one" - well you don't have to, but having your files haphazardly spread/duplicated across N machines is quite a pain for most people.

TeMPOraL 4y ago

> For anyone who isn't who cares about hanging on to old hardware, it's perfectly fine to just keep running Windows 10. Increasingly hard to get this days, especially through official channels. Currently, Microsoft actively prevents you from getting a Win10 installer/image, by redirecting all the relevant links to Windows 11 pages. > All those guys saying "yOuR sYStEM iS iNSeCurE!!1!1!1" are snake oil merchants wanting to sell you something. You mean like Microsoft? Saying that the new system is more secure is equivalent to saying your old system is insecure, given everyone's insistence that you either are fully secured or not at all.

herbstein 4y ago
> Increasingly hard to get this days, especially through official channels. Currently, Microsoft actively prevents you from getting a Win10 installer/image, by redirecting all the relevant links to Windows 11 pages. Really? I used this just a few weeks ago and definitely got a Windows 10 ISO. https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10ISO https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10ISO For reference, I searched the following on Google > windows 10 iso
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  For context then, some two-three weeks ago, I wanted to upgrade my wife's perfectly good Windows 7 to a Windows 10 (mostly because Chrome has been whining for the past half a year, but also because Spotify plain old denied to start playing music until we upgrade the OS). I went for the in-place upgrade path, which involves downloading a Win10 media creator tool from Microsoft. Links to various Windows 10-related information all redirect to Windows 11 landing pages now. Additionally, I suspected I'll need a new product key. I couldn't get that from Microsoft - every link I've managed to Google also had a redirect to Windows 11. (In the end, I purchased an electronic license from some local software shop. Then it turned out that somehow, Microsoft considers my wife's Win7 license still valid for Win10 Pro, which is nice. I used the key to upgrade another machine, which I thought was on Pro, but actually was on Home.)

dataflow 4y ago

> Intel Coffee Lake and AMD Zen+ came out around 2017/2018, that's 5 to 6 years ago. You're (probably unintentionally) exaggerating, but that's not how it works. When a new CPU comes out, all the machines on the market don't magically replace their CPUs with that one on day 1. The machine I'm typing this comment on right now was a pretty high-end one I got after those CPUs came out, and its CPU is from an older generation. In fact, I don't even recall having seen machines with newer CPUs on the market (at least not with the minimum specs I was looking at) until quite a few months later, though my memory might be hazy here. Sometimes the price points are also a factor here too. > those Coffee Lake and Zen+ systems (let alone older) are coming due for replacement/upgrade soon for anyone inside of a lifecycle cadence whether Windows 11 demanded it or not. That's by no means universally true; there are plenty of good machines out there that work just fine and that people want to keep using. Again, speaking from personal experience, I know my machine is perfectly good and I hope to keep using it for several more years. An older one I had from several years before that, which I gave away for unrelated reasons, was also great, and I would still use it if I had it and my current one somehow broke. There's been literally no reason for me to throw these away anytime soon other than Microsoft forcing me to. Lots of people are being forced to throw away perfectly good hardware because Microsoft/Google/Apple/etc. force them to, often via software.

Dalewyn 4y ago
I have a Sandy Bridge machine still serving me dutifully as a sub computer to my main computer, so I know all about old hardware never really dying from impracticality especially since 2011 onwards. Hell, I still have a Pentium 4 machine running XP for the stuff that needs/wants that too. As I already said, if you want to keep running Windows 10 (or 7, or XP) it's perfectly fine. Tell everyone who screams "SECURITY!" at you to screw off, they all want to sell you something. Even if you do upgrade to a new machine, why does someone have to throw away their old one? Keep it as a sub computer, or give it a new role in your life. Windows 11 mandates TPM2 and SecureBoot, but it doesn't mandate throwing your old machine in the trash.
- dataflow 4y ago
  I think we're mostly in agreement (?) but (1) XP isn't really practical nowadays, and (2) as to "why does someone have to throw away their old one" - well you don't have to, but having your files haphazardly spread/duplicated across N machines is quite a pain for most people.