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Ever try to open up a surface?

by c22 3y ago

vxNsr 3y ago
The newer ms laptops were better. Obviously there’s room for improvement, I think they just didn’t have a lot of hardware experience initially and were using a lot of outside design firms who didn’t have a ton of direction.
the__alchemist 3y ago
My thought too! I love my Surface pro. (In context of my use cases, which involve a mix of programming/CAD etc on the go, and writing with a pen). Its biggest downside is lack of repairability, including battery replacement.
- c22 3y ago
  The cynic in me is worried this is just a move to saddle smaller competitors with onerous requirements while scoring some PR points.
grapesurgeon 3y ago
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coder543 3y ago
Surface Pro 9 received a 7/10, and iFixit apparently plans to increase this score if Microsoft makes parts and manuals available. https://www.ifixit.com/News/68671/does-the-surface-pro-9-mark-a-turning-point-for-repairability-at-microsoft https://www.ifixit.com/News/68671/does-the-surface-pro-9-mar...
- generalizations 3y ago
  Long as the only way in is by ungluing the screen, I don't consider it repairable. Unfortunately, most DIYers will probably not have a great track record ungluing fragile touchscreens. I feel like the only reason this got a 7/10 is because ifixit has experience doing that, and maybe discounted the liklihood that someone inexperienced would have success.
  - steve_mcdougall 3y ago
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  - me-vs-cat 3y ago
    Easily-repairable-by-the-inexperienced is quite different from only-repairable-through-manufacturer-authorization. Would you say a car is not repairable because it takes experience and several hundred dollars worth of equipment just to get to the affected part?
    - Robotbeat 3y ago
      ...I mean yeah, kinda? Reparability is a spectrum.
    - vkou 3y ago
      Depends. If changing a tire required taking my car into the dealership that sold it, I'd call it unrepairable. If something like that were required for dealing with a broken transmission, that would be something else.
    - generalizations 3y ago
      > Easily-repairable-by-the-inexperienced is quite different from only-repairable-through-manufacturer-authorization. Yep. And a 7/10 score (IIRC) used to indicate easily-repairable-by-the-inexperienced.
  - bobsmooth 3y ago
    Part of the review is pointing out that this glued screen was particularly easy to remove.
  - cosmojg 3y ago
    Glued screens are a big part of why we get to enjoy the level of water resistance we have today, and while I agree it's tricky, I can tell you I've successfully changed the batteries on two different phones with nothing but a hairdryer and a suction cup scavenged from a bathroom mirror. Sure, like repairing a car, you won't be able to fix or maintain certain things without the right tools, but being able to use the right tools without voiding your warranty is a huuuge step in the right direction. I mean, imagine if your car insurance company refused to cover you in an accident because you changed your own oil once!
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
No, but I have Linux on mine.

Ever try to open up a surface?

by c22 3y ago

Ever try to open up a surface?

The newer ms laptops were better. Obviously there’s room for improvement, I think they just didn’t have a lot of hardware experience initially and were using a lot of outside design firms who didn’t have a ton of direction.

the__alchemist 3y ago

My thought too! I love my Surface pro. (In context of my use cases, which involve a mix of programming/CAD etc on the go, and writing with a pen). Its biggest downside is lack of repairability, including battery replacement.

c22 3y ago
The cynic in me is worried this is just a move to saddle smaller competitors with onerous requirements while scoring some PR points.

grapesurgeon 3y ago

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coder543 3y ago

Surface Pro 9 received a 7/10, and iFixit apparently plans to increase this score if Microsoft makes parts and manuals available. https://www.ifixit.com/News/68671/does-the-surface-pro-9-mark-a-turning-point-for-repairability-at-microsoft https://www.ifixit.com/News/68671/does-the-surface-pro-9-mar...

generalizations 3y ago
Long as the only way in is by ungluing the screen, I don't consider it repairable. Unfortunately, most DIYers will probably not have a great track record ungluing fragile touchscreens. I feel like the only reason this got a 7/10 is because ifixit has experience doing that, and maybe discounted the liklihood that someone inexperienced would have success.
- steve_mcdougall 3y ago
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- me-vs-cat 3y ago
  Easily-repairable-by-the-inexperienced is quite different from only-repairable-through-manufacturer-authorization. Would you say a car is not repairable because it takes experience and several hundred dollars worth of equipment just to get to the affected part?
  - Robotbeat 3y ago
    ...I mean yeah, kinda? Reparability is a spectrum.
  - vkou 3y ago
    Depends. If changing a tire required taking my car into the dealership that sold it, I'd call it unrepairable. If something like that were required for dealing with a broken transmission, that would be something else.
  - generalizations 3y ago
    > Easily-repairable-by-the-inexperienced is quite different from only-repairable-through-manufacturer-authorization. Yep. And a 7/10 score (IIRC) used to indicate easily-repairable-by-the-inexperienced.
- bobsmooth 3y ago
  Part of the review is pointing out that this glued screen was particularly easy to remove.
- cosmojg 3y ago
  Glued screens are a big part of why we get to enjoy the level of water resistance we have today, and while I agree it's tricky, I can tell you I've successfully changed the batteries on two different phones with nothing but a hairdryer and a suction cup scavenged from a bathroom mirror. Sure, like repairing a car, you won't be able to fix or maintain certain things without the right tools, but being able to use the right tools without voiding your warranty is a huuuge step in the right direction. I mean, imagine if your car insurance company refused to cover you in an accident because you changed your own oil once!

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

No, but I have Linux on mine.