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You did not just use the destitution Charlie lived in as a example of how poor people should live. Poor people already live in squalor and are packed in like s

You did not just use the destitution Charlie lived in as a example of how poor people should live. Poor people already live in squalor and are packed in like sardines, especially since housing costs keep rising. How about the rich pay their fair share, or stop stealing money from the poor via wage theft, or stop conspiring to keep wages lower than ever, or how about stop people deciding about housing stopping NIMBYism, or how about putting a ceiling on CEO comp and stock buybacks, or how about dealing with the ever-widening wage gap. Also, you've obviously never been to at least latin america, as their poverty is so bad they literally risk their lives getting anywhere else. The mental gymnastics to blame the poor in your comments on this thread are Olympic level.

nashashmi 3y ago
And did you just demean the lifestyle of poor people? I have known modest looking habitats that the rich western world would frown upon. I have seen this kind of lean living. And thought it was quite sufficient. What is also shown in the case of Charlie’s home is a family that cannot feed themselves and have poor health and have the fewest breadwinners. This is not an example of lean living. This is being needy.
- _x2o9 3y ago
  Breadwinning is quickly becoming a foreign concept in the Western world, as the new strategy is simply breadtaking. Why work hard to win, when you can simply take? What you need to understand is they are simply shameless, like they feel no shame to be dependent on others to provide for them. Historically people actually had shame, they would feel it hurts their dignity to accept even charity (voluntary donation of money)! But now, people in the West are even happy to take money even forcefully through the tax system. No more dignity, no more shame. And this behavior is incentivized by our political system and tax system. More details on this perspective, in my response to him, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35761106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35761106
  - nashashmi 3y ago
    While I agree with your complaints, I don’t agree with your sense of complaints. It seems much of your opinions are a result of western capitalist indoctrinations. (I have recently stumbled across my own indoctrinations and am trying to undo them.) I would love to discuss this in IRL. We would have much to talk about.
_x2o9 3y ago
Found the economically-illiterate entitled socialist, who refuses to think about personal responsibility (to actually become competitive in the global economy, to save money by being frugal and then to invest money to grow savings — you know, the things others on Earth do to become successful in life, doesn’t happen by magic!) as the answer to lower class financial problems… who instead only ever has his hand out trying to steal from the productive (and ready to blame the productive instead of himself at every opportunity!) to satisfy the unproductive’s natural urge to get money for nothing. Meanwhile, in reality land in 2022: >> The bottom 43% of US income tax filers pay -4.8% of federal income taxes (negative b/c they get a tax refund credit on average because of tax law). >> The top 10% of taxpayers pay 80% of federal taxes. But muh “rIcH nEeD tO pAy ThEiR fAiR sHaRe”!!!11 How about the bottom 43% of America actually sacrifices (studies during childhood to actually learn in and out of school + and actually works hard in first job to make good impression and get better job and actually learns on the job + maybe even starts their own company from learnings, all the while being frugal to maximize savings and then invest in a diversified stock index fund to grow savings over time with compound interest, and so on…) to build useful skills and become competitive in the global economy, the way people all around the world take responsibility to do? Nahhh, way too much hard work! Better to just waste childhood not valuing education, and then be a goodfornothing at your low-wage job so no one values you (IF indeed you are even capable of getting and holding the low-wage job), and then take your entitled personality that you carefully developed over all those years onto hackernews! (to complain about the small 10% minority who actually lived responsibly and made something of their lives and now pays 80% of federal taxes!) This system is literally already socialist/communist in philosophy, in the distribution of percent of people paying taxes that sustains the system, but no, even this isn’t good enough. Why? Because of course it’s never good enough for the spoiled brat who is incentivized by the system to always be a spoiled brat, while 10% of the country literally carries them on their back. Shameless! You feel no shame to be dependent on others to provide for you. Historically people actually had shame, they would feel it hurts their dignity to accept even charity (voluntary donation of money)! But now, people in the West like you are even happy to take money even forcefully through the tax system. No more dignity, no more shame.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  If everybody studies a lot, who will do all the menial, low paid jobs? There are a couple of bad answers to this, ranging from making all white collar jobs way more competitive and still forcing now-educated people take menial jobs and be poor; to bringing illegal immigrants in to exploit. The good answer is to pay good money to less educated people doing somple jobs. Bonus point, they will contribute taxes.

nashashmi 3y ago

And did you just demean the lifestyle of poor people? I have known modest looking habitats that the rich western world would frown upon. I have seen this kind of lean living. And thought it was quite sufficient. What is also shown in the case of Charlie’s home is a family that cannot feed themselves and have poor health and have the fewest breadwinners. This is not an example of lean living. This is being needy.

_x2o9 3y ago
Breadwinning is quickly becoming a foreign concept in the Western world, as the new strategy is simply breadtaking. Why work hard to win, when you can simply take? What you need to understand is they are simply shameless, like they feel no shame to be dependent on others to provide for them. Historically people actually had shame, they would feel it hurts their dignity to accept even charity (voluntary donation of money)! But now, people in the West are even happy to take money even forcefully through the tax system. No more dignity, no more shame. And this behavior is incentivized by our political system and tax system. More details on this perspective, in my response to him, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35761106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35761106
- nashashmi 3y ago
  While I agree with your complaints, I don’t agree with your sense of complaints. It seems much of your opinions are a result of western capitalist indoctrinations. (I have recently stumbled across my own indoctrinations and am trying to undo them.) I would love to discuss this in IRL. We would have much to talk about.

_x2o9 3y ago

Found the economically-illiterate entitled socialist, who refuses to think about personal responsibility (to actually become competitive in the global economy, to save money by being frugal and then to invest money to grow savings — you know, the things others on Earth do to become successful in life, doesn’t happen by magic!) as the answer to lower class financial problems… who instead only ever has his hand out trying to steal from the productive (and ready to blame the productive instead of himself at every opportunity!) to satisfy the unproductive’s natural urge to get money for nothing. Meanwhile, in reality land in 2022: >> The bottom 43% of US income tax filers pay -4.8% of federal income taxes (negative b/c they get a tax refund credit on average because of tax law). >> The top 10% of taxpayers pay 80% of federal taxes. But muh “rIcH nEeD tO pAy ThEiR fAiR sHaRe”!!!11 How about the bottom 43% of America actually sacrifices (studies during childhood to actually learn in and out of school + and actually works hard in first job to make good impression and get better job and actually learns on the job + maybe even starts their own company from learnings, all the while being frugal to maximize savings and then invest in a diversified stock index fund to grow savings over time with compound interest, and so on…) to build useful skills and become competitive in the global economy, the way people all around the world take responsibility to do? Nahhh, way too much hard work! Better to just waste childhood not valuing education, and then be a goodfornothing at your low-wage job so no one values you (IF indeed you are even capable of getting and holding the low-wage job), and then take your entitled personality that you carefully developed over all those years onto hackernews! (to complain about the small 10% minority who actually lived responsibly and made something of their lives and now pays 80% of federal taxes!) This system is literally already socialist/communist in philosophy, in the distribution of percent of people paying taxes that sustains the system, but no, even this isn’t good enough. Why? Because of course it’s never good enough for the spoiled brat who is incentivized by the system to always be a spoiled brat, while 10% of the country literally carries them on their back. Shameless! You feel no shame to be dependent on others to provide for you. Historically people actually had shame, they would feel it hurts their dignity to accept even charity (voluntary donation of money)! But now, people in the West like you are even happy to take money even forcefully through the tax system. No more dignity, no more shame.

thriftwy 3y ago
If everybody studies a lot, who will do all the menial, low paid jobs? There are a couple of bad answers to this, ranging from making all white collar jobs way more competitive and still forcing now-educated people take menial jobs and be poor; to bringing illegal immigrants in to exploit. The good answer is to pay good money to less educated people doing somple jobs. Bonus point, they will contribute taxes.