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Germany refuses to sign ACTA (for now)
highler quality sources in German Language:
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article13861529/Berlin-verweigert-Unterzeichnung-von-Acta-Abkommen.html
- bproper 15y agoThis seems like big news. Can this article be trusted? I don't see this being reported anywhere else.
- bugmenot 15y agoIt certainly is being reported in German media: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,814527,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,814527,00....
- _stephan 15y agoYes, it can be trusted: http://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2012-02/acta-deutschland-ablehnung http://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2012-02/acta-deutschland...
- setrofim_ 15y agoAlso here: http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=136546 http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=136546 Given what what was happening in the Czech Republic and Poland (and also the protests in Germany itself), it's not that surprising. Let's hope other EU countries follow.
- else 15y agoYes, this is officially confirmed in Germany. See e.g. http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Deutschland-unterzeichnet-ACTA-vorerst-nicht-1432504.html http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Deutschland-unterzeic...
- simfoo 15y agoAs a German, I consider this a desperate attempt to dilute the efforts of the opposition to organize nationwide rallies on saturday. The move just seems too perfectly timed... (Edit: the keyword here is 'for now')
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- mduerksen 15y agoSadly, not true. Leutheuser-Schnarrenberger has explicitly spoken in favor of ACTA just a few days ago. See this German link: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Bundesregierung-sieht-ACTA-gelassen-1426483.html http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Bundesregierung-sieht...
- mhd 15y agoIn favor of ratifying ACTA, I'd say. IANAL, but as far as I know, current German law qualifies for most of the ACTA agreements already, so just passing it wouldn't change things per se. The bigger issue here is ACTA as a signal. So I can understand her somewhat. If ACTA would've been yet another EU regulation passed without much fuss and recognition, it would've been better to focus on actual laws, where Leutheuser-Schnarrenberger still has to fight basically the rest of the government over data retention (I really dread the next government's actions here). It's probably better this way, though. Any show that the public actually cares matters a lot.
- metachris 15y agoGerman laws don't already mostly cover ACTA. The politicians are saying the same thing across europe, but it's all lies and deception. One instance is criminal prosecution instead of civil, no rights for private copies anymore, forcing ISP's to cooperate with "rights-holders" bypassing the courts and forcing them to proactively monitor their networks (else they could be fined huge sums), etc, etc. Actually the ISP umbrella organizations published statements that they think ACTA bypasses democratic processes, and puts them into the position of police and judge all in one, and much more...
- armher 15y agoDon't let yourselves be fooled - not only in Germany is it a common method by the government to undermine protests, to call them successful, sit out the fallout, then try again when public attention is focused on other events (like, a football cup or olympic games). I hope noone will withdraw their call for protest tomorrow. As Germany is one of the most infuencial countries in the EU, we should also show solidarity to the people in other countries and help overturn this treaty entirely.
- tehayj 15y agoIts not a common method in Germany. No idea where you come from but if you would know a bit about Germany then you would understand that there democracy still kind of works (unlike in the US for example).
- Hackura 15y agoBut he is absolutly right. As a german i can say: there is no real democracy here, just the choice between the bad and the bold. But well, of course, it's way better than most other pseudo-democracys.
- ThomPete 15y agoThere are no such thing as real democracy. So perhaps you are judging on the wrong premise.
- moe 15y agoIts not a common method in Germany. Where are you getting that from? It's standard practice, try reading some alternative media (fefe!) sometime. I have no matching links handy, but you can read about it pretty frequently if you look in the right places (e.g. during the Fukushima event).
- ThomPete 15y agoWhat do you mean with alternative media? The "alternative media" is what conspiracy theorists use to convince themselves that 9/11 was an inside job. If by alternative you mean a place like HN where stories are being commented on then I agree but you will hardly find one sided support for that kind of claims here. Which is why HN for all the bad trends we see here is still one of the best places to get our apriori views invalidated.
- jwr 15y agoGo Germany! So it seems there is hope yet. The noise about ACTA in Poland is still growing and politicians are beginning to notice this is a much bigger deal than they thought. Especially as the leading party just went down several percent in polls. This can now be stopped at the EU level, which will not be easy, but is doable.
- jaap_w 15y agoIts still not to late to sign the petition against ACTA: http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet/ http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet/
- moozeek 15y agoI'm afraid it's only postponed until the EURO 2012 in summer :-/
- bwarp 15y agoGood for you Germany! I wish British politicians weren't useless, spineless, back stabbing, lying arseholes. They signed without blinking an eye.
- muuh-gnu 15y agoGerman politicians _are_ as useless, spineless, back stabbing, lying assholes as everybody else's politicians. > They signed without blinking an eye. So would German big-party politicians. But... next year we have elections, and the Pirate party is already too popular to be ignored. Fear of greens and pirates is the one and only reason why this wasnt signed now. Maybe it will in a year, when the elections are over. Until then, the anti-internet parties are tryin to keep a low profile with repect to internet censorship.
- eblackburn 15y agoConcur. Would the movement to save the NHS eclipse any ACTA movement too?
- bwarp 15y agoWhat movement to save the NHS? I think it's a movement to fuck it up.
- janlukacs 15y agoGG Deutschland! Anti ACTA protest planned tomorrow in Romania. Please attend the rally in your city.
- ajuc 15y agohttps://www.amnesty.org/en/news/eu-urged-reject-international-anti-counterfeiting-pact-2012-02-10 https://www.amnesty.org/en/news/eu-urged-reject-internationa... Amnesty international asks EU not to sign ACTA.