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Is this a new pass, or a reduction in price of an existing pass? Trying to understand how much more affordable this has become.

quonn 3y ago
New. There was a brief experiment last year with a 9 Euro one.
- marcod 3y ago
  It wasn't so much an experiment as a relief effort during the pandemic... and the people liked it so much that they demanded more.
jacques-noris 3y ago
It’s new
h4kor 3y ago
This is a new(ish) ticket. We had a 9€ ticket for three month (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9-Euro-Ticket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9-Euro-Ticket) which was a huge monetary relief. Sadly this is not continued, but as a consequence (due to high popularity of the 9 euro ticket) the 49€ ticket is introduced as a compromise. It generally is cheaper than most (virtually all) monthly tickets. Additionally this one is valid for all of Germany instead of just for a state or specific region. "Job Tickets" used to commute to and from work, subsidized by cities and/or companies, often cost ~90 € per month in my experience.
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  We need to realise that 9 euros or 49 euros makes no difference. Both are peanuts for the vast majority of people. Ultimately these schemes are based on the belief of the current people in charge to public transport should be free. Hence they pushing to get there. But trying to argue that 9 vs 49 is a huge difference feels rather immature.
  - h4kor 3y ago
    9€ or 49€ makes a huge difference. 1. For unemployed people and people in low wage jobs, 40€/month is a lot of money, and many will not be able to afford this ticket. Meaning they have to stick to single tickets, whenever it is unavoidable or use other means of transportation. 2. During the 3 month of the 9€ ticket, we saw a huge increase in travels to surrounding areas of cities. Anecdotally, there are stories of bakeries, cafes, bars at the edge of the city who saw an significant increase in customers because the barrier to visit them was lower to virtually zero. People just visited different parts of their city, or other cities because it was now affordable for them. 3. 9€ is a price where you don't think about buying anything else. The first trip you take, you buy this ticket (even on the last day of the month). This massively simplifies traveling by bus and train. 49€ is something you only spend if you know that there will be multiple trips in the month. This combined with the subscription based model, makes the current ticket far less attractive than the previous 9€ ticket.
    - JanSt 3y ago
      We germans love to criticize even huge improvements, don‘t we? 49€ is dead cheap for that ticket.
      - mytailorisrich 3y ago
        It does feel rather surreal, indeed.
      - morelisp 3y ago
        100€ just for one/two Länder would've been a huge improvement for most people I know. It can be a huge improvement but we can still demand better.
      - h4kor 3y ago
        The discussion for this ticket started with 9€ so it's fair to compare the result to what they set out to achieve. 9€ would have been a revolution of public transportation. A major step to achieve the emission goals of ministry of transportation, which it utterly fails at and can't even come up with a strategy how to achieve any reductions. 49€ is nice for everyone already using public transportation on a regular basis, but will not induce a significant change in transportation method used, which is desperately needed.
mtmail 3y ago
A new pass. Digital only. Subscription only. It doesn't replace any other ticket types. It includes all trains except high-speed trains, so you can go much further (or commute much further) and your city limits. It's possible the 49 Euro is cheaper than a single train ticket, let's say 100km, between cities. It's very much cheaper for anybody communiting daily, a no-brainer to switch to the new ticket. Some cities and states offer additional discounts, e.g. for seniors or the disabled. The 2022 test mentioned in the video was 9 Euro per month. At that price it was cheaper than taking a bus a couple of times. It existed as paper version, too. States, federal government, local public transport agencies (there are many) fought all winter what the new price should be. Anything from 29 to 99 Euro was discussed. It's an expensive program. Germany also has a ticket that covers all trains including high speed trains. It's 4339 Euro/year (or 7356 Euro for first class seats). I know several people who bought the ticket for their commute or where the employer gave such tickets to employees (instead of company car).
- Glawen 3y ago
  The Twitter post does not mention trains, if it does include them it is great indeed, otherwise not really
  - Xylakant 3y ago
    The twitter post is incomplete. It’s all local and regional transport - including regional trains. Regional trains can run for a few hundred kilometers, for example you can do Kaiserlautern to Osterburken (close to Würzburg) without changing. That’s about 200km. There are a few confusing exceptions where long distance trains run under a regional code.
codethief 3y ago
> Trying to understand how much more affordable this has become. In Berlin I used to pay between 91€ and 114€ per month, depending on which how much of the metropolitan area I wanted the ticket to cover. Now I'll be paying a flat 49€ per month. In Munich prices for monthly tickets currently range between 63€ and a whopping 243€. There, too, you will soon only need to pay 49€ per month, no matter how far you travel.

quonn 3y ago

New. There was a brief experiment last year with a 9 Euro one.

marcod 3y ago
It wasn't so much an experiment as a relief effort during the pandemic... and the people liked it so much that they demanded more.

jacques-noris 3y ago

It’s new

h4kor 3y ago

This is a new(ish) ticket. We had a 9€ ticket for three month (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9-Euro-Ticket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9-Euro-Ticket) which was a huge monetary relief. Sadly this is not continued, but as a consequence (due to high popularity of the 9 euro ticket) the 49€ ticket is introduced as a compromise. It generally is cheaper than most (virtually all) monthly tickets. Additionally this one is valid for all of Germany instead of just for a state or specific region. "Job Tickets" used to commute to and from work, subsidized by cities and/or companies, often cost ~90 € per month in my experience.

mytailorisrich 3y ago
We need to realise that 9 euros or 49 euros makes no difference. Both are peanuts for the vast majority of people. Ultimately these schemes are based on the belief of the current people in charge to public transport should be free. Hence they pushing to get there. But trying to argue that 9 vs 49 is a huge difference feels rather immature.
- h4kor 3y ago
  9€ or 49€ makes a huge difference. 1. For unemployed people and people in low wage jobs, 40€/month is a lot of money, and many will not be able to afford this ticket. Meaning they have to stick to single tickets, whenever it is unavoidable or use other means of transportation. 2. During the 3 month of the 9€ ticket, we saw a huge increase in travels to surrounding areas of cities. Anecdotally, there are stories of bakeries, cafes, bars at the edge of the city who saw an significant increase in customers because the barrier to visit them was lower to virtually zero. People just visited different parts of their city, or other cities because it was now affordable for them. 3. 9€ is a price where you don't think about buying anything else. The first trip you take, you buy this ticket (even on the last day of the month). This massively simplifies traveling by bus and train. 49€ is something you only spend if you know that there will be multiple trips in the month. This combined with the subscription based model, makes the current ticket far less attractive than the previous 9€ ticket.
  - JanSt 3y ago
    We germans love to criticize even huge improvements, don‘t we? 49€ is dead cheap for that ticket.
    - mytailorisrich 3y ago
      It does feel rather surreal, indeed.
    - morelisp 3y ago
      100€ just for one/two Länder would've been a huge improvement for most people I know. It can be a huge improvement but we can still demand better.
    - h4kor 3y ago
      The discussion for this ticket started with 9€ so it's fair to compare the result to what they set out to achieve. 9€ would have been a revolution of public transportation. A major step to achieve the emission goals of ministry of transportation, which it utterly fails at and can't even come up with a strategy how to achieve any reductions. 49€ is nice for everyone already using public transportation on a regular basis, but will not induce a significant change in transportation method used, which is desperately needed.

mtmail 3y ago

A new pass. Digital only. Subscription only. It doesn't replace any other ticket types. It includes all trains except high-speed trains, so you can go much further (or commute much further) and your city limits. It's possible the 49 Euro is cheaper than a single train ticket, let's say 100km, between cities. It's very much cheaper for anybody communiting daily, a no-brainer to switch to the new ticket. Some cities and states offer additional discounts, e.g. for seniors or the disabled. The 2022 test mentioned in the video was 9 Euro per month. At that price it was cheaper than taking a bus a couple of times. It existed as paper version, too. States, federal government, local public transport agencies (there are many) fought all winter what the new price should be. Anything from 29 to 99 Euro was discussed. It's an expensive program. Germany also has a ticket that covers all trains including high speed trains. It's 4339 Euro/year (or 7356 Euro for first class seats). I know several people who bought the ticket for their commute or where the employer gave such tickets to employees (instead of company car).

Glawen 3y ago
The Twitter post does not mention trains, if it does include them it is great indeed, otherwise not really
- Xylakant 3y ago
  The twitter post is incomplete. It’s all local and regional transport - including regional trains. Regional trains can run for a few hundred kilometers, for example you can do Kaiserlautern to Osterburken (close to Würzburg) without changing. That’s about 200km. There are a few confusing exceptions where long distance trains run under a regional code.

codethief 3y ago

> Trying to understand how much more affordable this has become. In Berlin I used to pay between 91€ and 114€ per month, depending on which how much of the metropolitan area I wanted the ticket to cover. Now I'll be paying a flat 49€ per month. In Munich prices for monthly tickets currently range between 63€ and a whopping 243€. There, too, you will soon only need to pay 49€ per month, no matter how far you travel.