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This is completely false. Gas heating is way, way less efficient than a heat pump. And don't bring up low temperatures, modern heat pumps can have back up resis

This is completely false. Gas heating is way, way less efficient than a heat pump. And don't bring up low temperatures, modern heat pumps can have back up resistive heaters and combined use will still be far, far more efficient than gas heat. If you can install geothermal that's better still. Stop spreading fossil fuel industry lies.

r00fus 3y ago
At very low temperatures? I think if you're above zero F, you should be ok, but below zero it gets expensive. They're not talking about taxing gas - they're talking about banning it.
- greenthrow 3y ago
  > At very low temperatures? I think if you're above zero F, you should be ok, but below zero it gets expensive. Did you read my comment before replying? I already addressed this. Yes I am talking about well below zero F. > They're not talking about taxing gas - they're talking about banning it. Yes and they should ban it. Electric heating is way more efficient, doesn't poison the occupants and can be powered from renwable sources.
  - r00fus 3y ago
    Sure, in CA a ban makes sense (though Berkeley law was overturned). But in a polar vortex winter storm, how do you have enough power to keep the building warm if there's no power, and the minimal reserves you may have with battery backup are not enough to run the heat pump? I think this ban is too bold and will result in political backlash that will end up doing worse than if something less drastic was proposed. Hochul was 10pts away from losing the last race to a complete RW zealot.
missedthecue 3y ago
I wouldn't say it's "completely false", it depends on the temperature. Heat pump efficiency drops as the temperature drops. If you live in a place with very cold temperatures for prolonged periods of time, gas may indeed be more efficient.
aobdev 3y ago
They probably mean cost efficiency rather than thermodynamic efficiency. It would cost a lot to install those systems in addition to the electricity storage necessary to run during a blizzard. I’m not disagreeing that electric is better but there’s a lot more to consider than just “modern systems are better so you should install them” and it’s not a lie to say so.
cubefox 3y ago
... gas heating is more cost efficient (heat per currency) is probably what he meant.

r00fus 3y ago

At very low temperatures? I think if you're above zero F, you should be ok, but below zero it gets expensive. They're not talking about taxing gas - they're talking about banning it.

greenthrow 3y ago
> At very low temperatures? I think if you're above zero F, you should be ok, but below zero it gets expensive. Did you read my comment before replying? I already addressed this. Yes I am talking about well below zero F. > They're not talking about taxing gas - they're talking about banning it. Yes and they should ban it. Electric heating is way more efficient, doesn't poison the occupants and can be powered from renwable sources.
- r00fus 3y ago
  Sure, in CA a ban makes sense (though Berkeley law was overturned). But in a polar vortex winter storm, how do you have enough power to keep the building warm if there's no power, and the minimal reserves you may have with battery backup are not enough to run the heat pump? I think this ban is too bold and will result in political backlash that will end up doing worse than if something less drastic was proposed. Hochul was 10pts away from losing the last race to a complete RW zealot.

missedthecue 3y ago

I wouldn't say it's "completely false", it depends on the temperature. Heat pump efficiency drops as the temperature drops. If you live in a place with very cold temperatures for prolonged periods of time, gas may indeed be more efficient.

aobdev 3y ago

They probably mean cost efficiency rather than thermodynamic efficiency. It would cost a lot to install those systems in addition to the electricity storage necessary to run during a blizzard. I’m not disagreeing that electric is better but there’s a lot more to consider than just “modern systems are better so you should install them” and it’s not a lie to say so.

cubefox 3y ago

... gas heating is more cost efficient (heat per currency) is probably what he meant.