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>Forcing countries like China, Iran and US to go into dark ages if they don't use the new all encrypted networks. The problem is some governments would be perf

>Forcing countries like China, Iran and US to go into dark ages if they don't use the new all encrypted networks. The problem is some governments would be perfectly happy with that. In fact for the most repressive ones it's long term goal. China wants to create a separate internet for Chinese users and they're half way there. They have their own local censored versions of Google, Twitter and Facebook. Soon most internet users in China won't care if the rest of the internet disappears. Likewise for Iran, except they have been more open about it [1]. [1] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704889404576277391449002016.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870488940457627...

chernevik 15y ago
Maybe but they'll lose the productivity gains from networked organizations and communities. China can grow a long way without those gains, but they'll eventually hit a wall.
- kiloaper 15y ago
  >Maybe but they'll lose the productivity gains from networked organizations and communities Absolutely but the effect will be not be huge in my opinion because of the language differences. All my Chinese friends here in the EU still use mainly Chinese language website, most of which are based in China, especially the social networking ones.
  - chernevik 15y ago
    Companies aren't going to manage inventory, customer relations or finance over open channels. So they'd reduce the gains from networking their own internal communications. They could try to mitigate by rationing secure channels, or allowing them with backdoors, but this still sacrifices the spontaneous creativity of a truly open system.
    - kiloaper 15y ago
      You make a good point. It certainly would discourage or kill small businesses but, as you suggest, I'm sure larger more powerful ones will get special treatment (native ones particularly so). Considering China was willing to let Google leave the country it appears that the balance of power is shifting already.

chernevik 15y ago

Maybe but they'll lose the productivity gains from networked organizations and communities. China can grow a long way without those gains, but they'll eventually hit a wall.

kiloaper 15y ago
>Maybe but they'll lose the productivity gains from networked organizations and communities Absolutely but the effect will be not be huge in my opinion because of the language differences. All my Chinese friends here in the EU still use mainly Chinese language website, most of which are based in China, especially the social networking ones.
- chernevik 15y ago
  Companies aren't going to manage inventory, customer relations or finance over open channels. So they'd reduce the gains from networking their own internal communications. They could try to mitigate by rationing secure channels, or allowing them with backdoors, but this still sacrifices the spontaneous creativity of a truly open system.
  - kiloaper 15y ago
    You make a good point. It certainly would discourage or kill small businesses but, as you suggest, I'm sure larger more powerful ones will get special treatment (native ones particularly so). Considering China was willing to let Google leave the country it appears that the balance of power is shifting already.