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It depends on the location. In Norway they are usually perfectly on time, you don’t have any ads, they do the required tests and examinations, they listen to yo

It depends on the location. In Norway they are usually perfectly on time, you don’t have any ads, they do the required tests and examinations, they listen to you, they take the time to explain everything and will do drawings if necessary, they tell you to do more sport, and you get billed about $25 (but it becomes free if you spend more than $300 in visits and medications during the year).

mensetmanusman 4y ago
Might be a consequence of oil wealth offering a government savings rate of $200,000 per citizen?
- tbossanova 4y ago
  There are other places with a similar experience that don’t have the same oil wealth. I wonder though if it’s different at the higher end of things, like expensive treatments for major issues which a tighter public purse might not stretch to.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  That's an asset, not a savings rate. USA's mean household Net Worth is $500K more than Norway's, and average household is about 3 people (some households are single people) so the oil fund approximately cancels that out.
- speedgoose 4y ago
  No, I don't think the oil fund (https://www.nbim.no/en/ https://www.nbim.no/en/) is responsible for the culture to be on time or is connected directly to the public healthcare finances. Though being a state with money helps, obviously.
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  Perhaps you could explain how a fund that doesn't invest onshore does this. The government uses only a small percentage of the return on the fund (not the capital) each year.
cscurmudgeon 4y ago
Even in the US you don't get Pharma ads in a hospital.
- ericbarrett 4y ago
  Have you ever seen those brochures and flyers in the waiting room (and sometimes even the exam room)? Those are almost entirely supplied to the practice by pharma reps. Every U.S. doctor's office I've been in for the last four decades has been full of them.
  - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
    I have seen zero such brochures in every US doctor’s office I have visited. Zero. Is there any study that shows how prevalent they are?
    - andsoitis 4y ago
      Besides brochures, these ads also come in the form of posters and bulletin board posts. Next time, also look at the walls.
    - salad-tycoon 4y ago
      Not to say that you had a very unique set of experiences but having been in many doctors offices and worked in a number, in the US there are generally brochures, pamphlets, pens, note pads, and the worst of all TV SCREENS advertising pharma crap. The only place I haven’t seen brochures is my direct patient contract doctor (concierge) and even then he has natural herbal supplements for various things. So just saying your experience is atypical. But it sounds like a dream.
      - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
        Curious, are there any references? I have seen zero. Of course, I see tons of ads on TV so if the Dr.'s office has TV on, that may be one source. But I am curious about ads outside of the TV, haven't any like that in a Dr's office.
kldx 4y ago
> perfectly on time > they do the required tests and examinations Do you have a source or is this anecdata? I do agree with your other claims though.
- speedgoose 4y ago
  Not really. I said that based on the experiences from my close family. The sample size is small.
  - kldx 4y ago
    My experience (N=~5) is that the waiting times for legevakten are in the order of a couple of hours for anything non trivial. I have also observed some reluctance on preventative tests at the fastlege. I don't mean to contradict your observations, but our experiences could have been different based on our age, location, gender and what we're being treated for. Selecting a good GP matters a lot too.
WheatMillington 4y ago
I'm in New Zealand and my experience matches the GP comment, except cost and pharma ads. Long wait times and disinterested doctors are the norm.
pizza234 4y ago
I personally have a good exprience with good doctors (which one, with some time, can find), but perfectly on time is not realistic, as time with patients can't be predicted.

mensetmanusman 4y ago

Might be a consequence of oil wealth offering a government savings rate of $200,000 per citizen?

tbossanova 4y ago
There are other places with a similar experience that don’t have the same oil wealth. I wonder though if it’s different at the higher end of things, like expensive treatments for major issues which a tighter public purse might not stretch to.
hgsgm 4y ago
That's an asset, not a savings rate. USA's mean household Net Worth is $500K more than Norway's, and average household is about 3 people (some households are single people) so the oil fund approximately cancels that out.
speedgoose 4y ago
No, I don't think the oil fund (https://www.nbim.no/en/ https://www.nbim.no/en/) is responsible for the culture to be on time or is connected directly to the public healthcare finances. Though being a state with money helps, obviously.
kwhitefoot 4y ago
Perhaps you could explain how a fund that doesn't invest onshore does this. The government uses only a small percentage of the return on the fund (not the capital) each year.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago

Even in the US you don't get Pharma ads in a hospital.

ericbarrett 4y ago
Have you ever seen those brochures and flyers in the waiting room (and sometimes even the exam room)? Those are almost entirely supplied to the practice by pharma reps. Every U.S. doctor's office I've been in for the last four decades has been full of them.
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  I have seen zero such brochures in every US doctor’s office I have visited. Zero. Is there any study that shows how prevalent they are?
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    Besides brochures, these ads also come in the form of posters and bulletin board posts. Next time, also look at the walls.
  - salad-tycoon 4y ago
    Not to say that you had a very unique set of experiences but having been in many doctors offices and worked in a number, in the US there are generally brochures, pamphlets, pens, note pads, and the worst of all TV SCREENS advertising pharma crap. The only place I haven’t seen brochures is my direct patient contract doctor (concierge) and even then he has natural herbal supplements for various things. So just saying your experience is atypical. But it sounds like a dream.
    - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
      Curious, are there any references? I have seen zero. Of course, I see tons of ads on TV so if the Dr.'s office has TV on, that may be one source. But I am curious about ads outside of the TV, haven't any like that in a Dr's office.

kldx 4y ago

> perfectly on time > they do the required tests and examinations Do you have a source or is this anecdata? I do agree with your other claims though.

speedgoose 4y ago
Not really. I said that based on the experiences from my close family. The sample size is small.
- kldx 4y ago
  My experience (N=~5) is that the waiting times for legevakten are in the order of a couple of hours for anything non trivial. I have also observed some reluctance on preventative tests at the fastlege. I don't mean to contradict your observations, but our experiences could have been different based on our age, location, gender and what we're being treated for. Selecting a good GP matters a lot too.

WheatMillington 4y ago

I'm in New Zealand and my experience matches the GP comment, except cost and pharma ads. Long wait times and disinterested doctors are the norm.

pizza234 4y ago

I personally have a good exprience with good doctors (which one, with some time, can find), but perfectly on time is not realistic, as time with patients can't be predicted.