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And yet the first anecdote in it is mirrored in the Quran and early Jewish text: Jesus creates 12 live sparrows from clay models with his word; while predating

And yet the first anecdote in it is mirrored in the Quran and early Jewish text: Jesus creates 12 live sparrows from clay models with his word; while predating those texts by centuries. On what basis did these Early Christian leaders (Nicea?) deign to dismiss this work out of hand? Clearly at the time it had currency, maybe their dismissal was expedient to their goal to create an organized religion: necessitating them subduing to the useful and the good the "rough edges" of Jesus' very messy real character? This just watched was interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7JYGOhgnKc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7JYGOhgnKc Also this alternate translation of the same: https://www.tonyburke.ca/infancy-gospel-of-thomas/the-childhood-of-the-saviour-infancy-gospel-of-thomas-a-new-translation/ https://www.tonyburke.ca/infancy-gospel-of-thomas/the-childh...

baryphonic 3y ago
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- dang 3y ago
  This crosses into religious flamewar. Please don't do that on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Also, please edit swipes (e.g, like leading a comment with "Hoooh boy") out of your comments here. That's also in the guidelines.
  - dctoedt 3y ago
    > This crosses into religious flamewar. Disagree: This is an area to which I've devoted some study (amateur theologian, former professional "street-level historian," i.e., litigator). I can't speak to his comments about the Qur'an, but his comments about early Christian sources seem to be pretty much the consensus among scholars. (Self-cite: https://www.questioningchristian.org https://www.questioningchristian.org)
    - dang 3y ago
      The problems I'm talking about are in the first three sentences and arguably also the second-last one. Moderation is concerned with the worst bits of a post. If I toss a lit match and a few pinecones in a forest, and you tell me not to start forest fires, I can't just reply "but pinecones are fine!"
  - baryphonic 3y ago
    Understood & I apologize for these transgressions.

baryphonic 3y ago

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dang 3y ago
This crosses into religious flamewar. Please don't do that on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Also, please edit swipes (e.g, like leading a comment with "Hoooh boy") out of your comments here. That's also in the guidelines.
- dctoedt 3y ago
  > This crosses into religious flamewar. Disagree: This is an area to which I've devoted some study (amateur theologian, former professional "street-level historian," i.e., litigator). I can't speak to his comments about the Qur'an, but his comments about early Christian sources seem to be pretty much the consensus among scholars. (Self-cite: https://www.questioningchristian.org https://www.questioningchristian.org)
  - dang 3y ago
    The problems I'm talking about are in the first three sentences and arguably also the second-last one. Moderation is concerned with the worst bits of a post. If I toss a lit match and a few pinecones in a forest, and you tell me not to start forest fires, I can't just reply "but pinecones are fine!"
- baryphonic 3y ago
  Understood & I apologize for these transgressions.