> I wouldn't mix in "ethics" here Ethics is not an all-or-nothing proposition. I think the idea that ethics doesn't come into this until you're approaching Jai

> I wouldn't mix in "ethics" here Ethics is not an all-or-nothing proposition. I think the idea that ethics doesn't come into this until you're approaching Jainist levels of respect for life is not just wrong, but counter-productive. If you're going to eat butter, is it not inarguably better to get it from cows that could go outside and enjoy nature and eat grass; rather than cows that were subject to factory farming? Would it be better again to be vegan? Sure; no argument there... But the difference between the horrors of factory farming versus the much milder horrors of traditional farming is vast. It's honestly quite surprising to me that anyone (other than a big agri PR goon) would take issue with pointing out the quality of the farmed animal's life as an ethical concern.