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Presumably you therefore regard Google's actions as equally 'disgusting'.

vidarh 15y ago
Personally I regard them as a suitable response to the way Apple is acting, and I hope more players go after Apple - unfortunately it seems escalation is the only hope of getting things to the point where they might get forced into a truce, since as long as Apple hasn't met any real opposition they've just kept escalating things.
- rbarooah 15y ago
  This seems to rest on the idea that 'Apple started it' so everyone else is free to act in just as unprincipled a manner without cost to their reputation. As far as I am aware, Nokia won a settlement from Apple for the iPhone before Apple started going after the Android makers. Why is Nokia not the culprit here? Isn't it reasonable by the same argument used to defend Google, that after being attacked by one incumbent, Apple would become more aggressive about mobile IP? It also appears that you assume all intellectual property enforcement is equally bad.
  - nkassis 15y ago
    Cause most people have already written Nokia off. They are all guilty and I hope they all end up in a situation where they either agree to end this or die.
    - rbarooah 15y ago
      Guilty of what?
      - nkassis 15y ago
        Of using patents to block progress.
        rbarooah 15y ago
        What progress has been blocked?
        nkassis 15y ago
        Turtle's all the way down I call progress the opportunity cost of the money that went into litigation instead of product development
        rbarooah 15y ago
        Using that definition, I would conclude that no progress has been blocked. The parties involved have giant unspent cash piles relative to the amount they are spending on litigation, so none of their money is going into litigation instead of product development.
  - bryanlarsen 15y ago
    Nope, Apple started the Apple-Nokia fight too. Apple needed to license Nokia's GSM patents, and Nokia very reasonably asked for a cross license to Apple's patents as part of the deal. Apple refused, starting the fight. Cross-licensing is standard industry practice, and FRAND IMO.

Personally I regard them as a suitable response to the way Apple is acting, and I hope more players go after Apple - unfortunately it seems escalation is the only hope of getting things to the point where they might get forced into a truce, since as long as Apple hasn't met any real opposition they've just kept escalating things.

rbarooah 15y ago
This seems to rest on the idea that 'Apple started it' so everyone else is free to act in just as unprincipled a manner without cost to their reputation. As far as I am aware, Nokia won a settlement from Apple for the iPhone before Apple started going after the Android makers. Why is Nokia not the culprit here? Isn't it reasonable by the same argument used to defend Google, that after being attacked by one incumbent, Apple would become more aggressive about mobile IP? It also appears that you assume all intellectual property enforcement is equally bad.
- nkassis 15y ago
  Cause most people have already written Nokia off. They are all guilty and I hope they all end up in a situation where they either agree to end this or die.
  - rbarooah 15y ago
    Guilty of what?
    - nkassis 15y ago
      Of using patents to block progress.
      - rbarooah 15y ago
        What progress has been blocked?
        nkassis 15y ago
        Turtle's all the way down I call progress the opportunity cost of the money that went into litigation instead of product development
        rbarooah 15y ago
        Using that definition, I would conclude that no progress has been blocked. The parties involved have giant unspent cash piles relative to the amount they are spending on litigation, so none of their money is going into litigation instead of product development.
- bryanlarsen 15y ago
  Nope, Apple started the Apple-Nokia fight too. Apple needed to license Nokia's GSM patents, and Nokia very reasonably asked for a cross license to Apple's patents as part of the deal. Apple refused, starting the fight. Cross-licensing is standard industry practice, and FRAND IMO.