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If you wanna see the disappointment in the control room, here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/live/CpR1UUnix3g?feature=share&t=4284 https://www.youtube.c

by neom 4y ago

If you wanna see the disappointment in the control room, here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/live/CpR1UUnix3g?feature=share&t=4284 https://www.youtube.com/live/CpR1UUnix3g?feature=share&t=428... Scrub to 1:11:20 And at 1:35:33 the folks in the background look like they're holding back tears.

fuzzfactor 4y ago
>the United States and the Soviet Union were racing to land there, they crashed spacecraft after spacecraft before each finally succeeded in 1966. The government space agencies were able to learn from each landing attempt. Roger. >Today, by contrast, private companies are expected to repeat these successes, without government resources and without lessons gleaned from many failed and successful missions Misplaced expectations. They're going to need more crashes. >the folks in the background look like they're holding back tears. This was not in the background when NASA astronauts were tragically lost before they got to the moon the first time. I expect anyone to repeat these failures until they have enough lessons learned themselves. >why is it so hard to pull off a lunar landing? Mother Nature is a bitch.
- mulmen 4y ago
  > This was not in the background when NASA astronauts were tragically lost before they got to the moon the first time. I don’t follow. Are you suggesting NASA mission control didn’t mourn the loss of Chaffee, Grissom, and White?
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    It was in the foreground.
    - fuzzfactor 4y ago
      Definitely what I had in mind. The whole world was heartbroken as awareness was universally raised about remaining risks even after such extensive and successful efforts had intentionally and brilliantly greatly reduced the possibilities. Lurking risks still exist and unforseen failure modes remain as defined. Space Shuttles were not fatality-free either.
- sidlls 4y ago
  On the one hand we have people lauding SpaceX/Musk as super geniuses able to achieve great feats without the supposed waste and largesse of the government, and on the other we have the same group wringing their hands when expectations are set based on their gushing praise.
  - fuzzfactor 4y ago
    "Naturally", it can take so much time to accomplish something working with nature, time is one of the most likely natural forces to cause expectations to exceed accomplishments or even possibilities. And when nature is working against you . . .

by neom 4y ago

fuzzfactor 4y ago

>the United States and the Soviet Union were racing to land there, they crashed spacecraft after spacecraft before each finally succeeded in 1966. The government space agencies were able to learn from each landing attempt. Roger. >Today, by contrast, private companies are expected to repeat these successes, without government resources and without lessons gleaned from many failed and successful missions Misplaced expectations. They're going to need more crashes. >the folks in the background look like they're holding back tears. This was not in the background when NASA astronauts were tragically lost before they got to the moon the first time. I expect anyone to repeat these failures until they have enough lessons learned themselves. >why is it so hard to pull off a lunar landing? Mother Nature is a bitch.

mulmen 4y ago
> This was not in the background when NASA astronauts were tragically lost before they got to the moon the first time. I don’t follow. Are you suggesting NASA mission control didn’t mourn the loss of Chaffee, Grissom, and White?
- hgsgm 4y ago
  It was in the foreground.
  - fuzzfactor 4y ago
    Definitely what I had in mind. The whole world was heartbroken as awareness was universally raised about remaining risks even after such extensive and successful efforts had intentionally and brilliantly greatly reduced the possibilities. Lurking risks still exist and unforseen failure modes remain as defined. Space Shuttles were not fatality-free either.
sidlls 4y ago
On the one hand we have people lauding SpaceX/Musk as super geniuses able to achieve great feats without the supposed waste and largesse of the government, and on the other we have the same group wringing their hands when expectations are set based on their gushing praise.
- fuzzfactor 4y ago
  "Naturally", it can take so much time to accomplish something working with nature, time is one of the most likely natural forces to cause expectations to exceed accomplishments or even possibilities. And when nature is working against you . . .