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Weekly Vim Focus

46 points by phreeza 15y ago

weaksauce 15y ago
Doesn't take a long time after you remap the arrow keys to be broken of that habit. I love not having to move my hands for the small navigation things now. Highly suggested.
- alx 15y ago
  noremap <Up> <nop> noremap <Down> <nop> noremap <Left> <nop> noremap <Right> <nop>
- jacobr 15y ago
  Isn't that annoying in insert mode?
  - sbochins 15y ago
    I'd recommend against navigating while in insert mode.
  - danieldk 15y ago
    'noremap' has no effect on insert mode. :help noremap
  - weaksauce 15y ago
    You shouldn't be navigating in insert mode. If you mess up a word it's easier to ctrl-w to delete the last word and retype it.
    - moe 15y ago
      Just as a datapoint: I've been using vim for >12 years and I still use the arrow keys. Don't sweat the dogmas too much, try out what works best for you and stick with it.
      - weaksauce 15y ago
        I don't want to come across as a dick, but as another data point my boss has typed on keyboards for longer than I have been using computers and he still types with two fingers. Just because he is not crippling himself too much doesn't mean that he is getting anywhere near the same utility out of it that a touch typist would.
        moe 15y ago
        There's little correlation between finger count and utility. I use only 4-5 fingers most of the time and go faster than most touch typists.
ww520 15y ago
One thing that bothers me and I couldn't find an answer for vi/vim is how do you undo one character at a time? Command u always undo all the text typed since the last insert. Something like ctrl-Z would be great.
- trengof 15y ago
  You can modify undo to chunk based on words with the following: :inoremap <Space> <Space><C-g>u
wseymour 15y ago
Upvote for teaching me about <C-R> to paste in insert mode.
ichinaski 15y ago
For a long time user, usage of up/down/left/right should be punished!
- phreeza 15y ago
  I bow my head in shame and promise to mend my ways.
TheStanman 15y ago
Learning how to use "t" was a game-changer for me. Before that, I used "f", which cost me a fair bit of time when deleting things since the extra character was deleted. (c/d)t<space> is a great sequence that I use a lot. I suggest VimGolf as a way to learn new commands, especially how to use them efficiently. It was how I learned to use "w" and "b", as well as macros.
g3orge 15y ago
<C-R> to paste in insert mode?? That doesn't work for me.
- phreeza 15y ago
  followed by the register you want to paste. " is the default register you get when usually pasting.
  - g3orge 15y ago
    oh. Thanks.
drats 15y ago
For those wishing to ingrain Vim keys into their muscle memory, and improve their browsing experience, I recommend the Vimium[1] extension to Chrome. Additionally, Firefox has Vimperator[2] and Opera has VimOperate[3] (not as many features on the latter unfortunately). [1]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dbepggeogbaibhgnhhndojpepiihcmeb https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dbepggeogbaibhgnhh... [2]https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimperator/?src=search https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimperator/?s... [3]https://addons.opera.com/en/addons/extensions/details/vimoperate/0.3.2/?display=en https://addons.opera.com/en/addons/extensions/details/vimope...
- sbochins 15y ago
  pentadactyl is the best vim keybinding plugin for firefox now. It used to be vimperator though. Check it out http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/pentadactyl/ http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/pentadactyl/
  - andylei 15y ago
    whats better about pentadactyl
    - tmhedberg 15y ago
      From the Pentadactyl home page: "Pentadactyl was once called Vimperator, initially written by Martin Stubenschrott, then developed and maintained by Doug Kearns, Kris Maglione, and several other invaluable contributors. Doug and Kris, the primary Vimperator developers for several years, have left the Vimperator project and now develop and maintain Pentadactyl in its stead." So it's essentially the successor to Vimperator, or at least a well-maintained fork by the original authors.
yabai 15y ago
When starting with Vim I completely changed all of the software that I interact with. That means: mutt for email, vimperator, vimprobable or vim plugin for chrome, mocp with vim keybindings, newsbeuter and dwm with simple keybindings. After getting comfortable with this setup, I find it is now a pain to drop down to use the arrow keys. This type of setup really helped me 'convert' to a vi way of thinking. I am still learning, but am liking the minimal setup.
un1xl0ser 15y ago
I didn't use the hjkl keys until two things happened, about the same time. The first was getting a job as an SA, where on older (and less GNU) operating systems would NOT support the key mappings. The second was once my job was automated, I got to play a bit of nethack. A text based game that uses that style of navigation did help a bit.

46 points by phreeza 15y ago

Doesn't take a long time after you remap the arrow keys to be broken of that habit. I love not having to move my hands for the small navigation things now. Highly suggested.

alx 15y ago
noremap <Up> <nop> noremap <Down> <nop> noremap <Left> <nop> noremap <Right> <nop>
jacobr 15y ago
Isn't that annoying in insert mode?
- sbochins 15y ago
  I'd recommend against navigating while in insert mode.
- danieldk 15y ago
  'noremap' has no effect on insert mode. :help noremap
- weaksauce 15y ago
  You shouldn't be navigating in insert mode. If you mess up a word it's easier to ctrl-w to delete the last word and retype it.
  - moe 15y ago
    Just as a datapoint: I've been using vim for >12 years and I still use the arrow keys. Don't sweat the dogmas too much, try out what works best for you and stick with it.
    - weaksauce 15y ago
      I don't want to come across as a dick, but as another data point my boss has typed on keyboards for longer than I have been using computers and he still types with two fingers. Just because he is not crippling himself too much doesn't mean that he is getting anywhere near the same utility out of it that a touch typist would.
      - moe 15y ago
        There's little correlation between finger count and utility. I use only 4-5 fingers most of the time and go faster than most touch typists.

ww520 15y ago

One thing that bothers me and I couldn't find an answer for vi/vim is how do you undo one character at a time? Command u always undo all the text typed since the last insert. Something like ctrl-Z would be great.

trengof 15y ago
You can modify undo to chunk based on words with the following: :inoremap <Space> <Space><C-g>u

wseymour 15y ago

Upvote for teaching me about <C-R> to paste in insert mode.

ichinaski 15y ago

For a long time user, usage of up/down/left/right should be punished!

phreeza 15y ago
I bow my head in shame and promise to mend my ways.

TheStanman 15y ago

Learning how to use "t" was a game-changer for me. Before that, I used "f", which cost me a fair bit of time when deleting things since the extra character was deleted. (c/d)t<space> is a great sequence that I use a lot. I suggest VimGolf as a way to learn new commands, especially how to use them efficiently. It was how I learned to use "w" and "b", as well as macros.

g3orge 15y ago

<C-R> to paste in insert mode?? That doesn't work for me.

phreeza 15y ago
followed by the register you want to paste. " is the default register you get when usually pasting.
- g3orge 15y ago
  oh. Thanks.

drats 15y ago

For those wishing to ingrain Vim keys into their muscle memory, and improve their browsing experience, I recommend the Vimium[1] extension to Chrome. Additionally, Firefox has Vimperator[2] and Opera has VimOperate[3] (not as many features on the latter unfortunately). [1]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dbepggeogbaibhgnhhndojpepiihcmeb https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dbepggeogbaibhgnhh... [2]https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimperator/?src=search https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimperator/?s... [3]https://addons.opera.com/en/addons/extensions/details/vimoperate/0.3.2/?display=en https://addons.opera.com/en/addons/extensions/details/vimope...

sbochins 15y ago
pentadactyl is the best vim keybinding plugin for firefox now. It used to be vimperator though. Check it out http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/pentadactyl/ http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/pentadactyl/
- andylei 15y ago
  whats better about pentadactyl
  - tmhedberg 15y ago
    From the Pentadactyl home page: "Pentadactyl was once called Vimperator, initially written by Martin Stubenschrott, then developed and maintained by Doug Kearns, Kris Maglione, and several other invaluable contributors. Doug and Kris, the primary Vimperator developers for several years, have left the Vimperator project and now develop and maintain Pentadactyl in its stead." So it's essentially the successor to Vimperator, or at least a well-maintained fork by the original authors.

yabai 15y ago

When starting with Vim I completely changed all of the software that I interact with. That means: mutt for email, vimperator, vimprobable or vim plugin for chrome, mocp with vim keybindings, newsbeuter and dwm with simple keybindings. After getting comfortable with this setup, I find it is now a pain to drop down to use the arrow keys. This type of setup really helped me 'convert' to a vi way of thinking. I am still learning, but am liking the minimal setup.

un1xl0ser 15y ago

I didn't use the hjkl keys until two things happened, about the same time. The first was getting a job as an SA, where on older (and less GNU) operating systems would NOT support the key mappings. The second was once my job was automated, I got to play a bit of nethack. A text based game that uses that style of navigation did help a bit.