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Did you vote from 2004-2008? If so, you had your “say”. The USA is a representative democracy. If you elected idiots unable to do the job it’s on the royal “you

Did you vote from 2004-2008? If so, you had your “say”. The USA is a representative democracy. If you elected idiots unable to do the job it’s on the royal “you”.

harimau777 3y ago
I don't think that's meaningfully the case between gerrymandering, the electoral college, voter suppression, first past the post voting, and lobbying.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  All decisions done by electorate or those who they elected.
- dehrmann 3y ago
  Despite the establishment not wanting it, Trump still won. Everything you mentioned only goes so far once people are unhappy.
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    There is no legal technicality in which Trump won. He received a huge amount of votes, there's no denying that, but voter fraud on any meaningful scale was never proven after they looked under every rock they could find. Beyond that, the electoral college and Congress finalize election results and they don't appear to have breached any protocols.
    - tekknik 3y ago
      You’re probably confusing parent, Trump definitely won 2016.
_heimdall 3y ago
Claiming that casting one view in one election means that we all made the specific decision to deem some banks as too big to fail is a bastardization of how or system works to begin with. If I candidates I voted for lost, I had a chance to partake in democracy but how did I actually have a say in a decision made by someone else? And if the entire question of banks too big to fail want even a talking point in 2004, how was I voting on that? For me to have a say, at a minimum my elected representatives would have had to engage with his constituents on the new issue. Even better we could handle those situations more like the Swiss, putting it to a ballot vote. In no way is casting a vote when effectively given a choice between two major part candidates equivalent to ne having any day in how the government makes a fundamental decision to change the banking world.
- tekknik 3y ago
  Banks being too big to fail is a bit common sense unfortunately. We cannot let our financial infrastructure implode as the damage will be much more severe than some inflation. > And if the entire question of banks too big to fail want even a talking point in 2004, how was I voting on that? The question is who caused them to fail, and did you vote for anybody that had anything to do with it? This event started in 1994 and didn’t really end until near 2012. You probably voted a few times in that timeframe.
Mezzie 3y ago
There's a whole generation of people who were too young to vote in those elections who have to live in this 'bail out' world. I'm 34 and I couldn't vote in 2004. 2008 was my first presidential election. We definitely didn't get a say and a lot of us don't agree with our elders.
- tekknik 3y ago
  The good thing is you’re old enough now, so let’s see if you vote to continue or end this. We’ll definitely have another 2008 again, potentially in the next decade or 2, as the current administration is setting that up now with special mortgage rules for those with good credit to help secure mortgages from those with bad credit.

Did you vote from 2004-2008? If so, you had your “say”. The USA is a representative democracy. If you elected idiots unable to do the job it’s on the royal “you”.

harimau777 3y ago

I don't think that's meaningfully the case between gerrymandering, the electoral college, voter suppression, first past the post voting, and lobbying.

Ekaros 3y ago
All decisions done by electorate or those who they elected.
dehrmann 3y ago
Despite the establishment not wanting it, Trump still won. Everything you mentioned only goes so far once people are unhappy.
- _heimdall 3y ago
  There is no legal technicality in which Trump won. He received a huge amount of votes, there's no denying that, but voter fraud on any meaningful scale was never proven after they looked under every rock they could find. Beyond that, the electoral college and Congress finalize election results and they don't appear to have breached any protocols.
  - tekknik 3y ago
    You’re probably confusing parent, Trump definitely won 2016.

_heimdall 3y ago

Claiming that casting one view in one election means that we all made the specific decision to deem some banks as too big to fail is a bastardization of how or system works to begin with. If I candidates I voted for lost, I had a chance to partake in democracy but how did I actually have a say in a decision made by someone else? And if the entire question of banks too big to fail want even a talking point in 2004, how was I voting on that? For me to have a say, at a minimum my elected representatives would have had to engage with his constituents on the new issue. Even better we could handle those situations more like the Swiss, putting it to a ballot vote. In no way is casting a vote when effectively given a choice between two major part candidates equivalent to ne having any day in how the government makes a fundamental decision to change the banking world.

tekknik 3y ago
Banks being too big to fail is a bit common sense unfortunately. We cannot let our financial infrastructure implode as the damage will be much more severe than some inflation. > And if the entire question of banks too big to fail want even a talking point in 2004, how was I voting on that? The question is who caused them to fail, and did you vote for anybody that had anything to do with it? This event started in 1994 and didn’t really end until near 2012. You probably voted a few times in that timeframe.

Mezzie 3y ago

There's a whole generation of people who were too young to vote in those elections who have to live in this 'bail out' world. I'm 34 and I couldn't vote in 2004. 2008 was my first presidential election. We definitely didn't get a say and a lot of us don't agree with our elders.

tekknik 3y ago
The good thing is you’re old enough now, so let’s see if you vote to continue or end this. We’ll definitely have another 2008 again, potentially in the next decade or 2, as the current administration is setting that up now with special mortgage rules for those with good credit to help secure mortgages from those with bad credit.