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> They do: the test emails were never rejected, but never arrived in the test gmail account either. Not in spam, not in all mail, not in the inbox. And that's
by simplotek 3y ago
> They do: the test emails were never rejected, but never arrived in the test gmail account either. Not in spam, not in all mail, not in the inbox.
And that's fine because that's exactly what SPF/DKIM were designed to do. The spam folder is not a dump of true positives. It's the bucket where you train the filter by evaluating somewhat likely false positives.
- nottorp 3y agoWhat happened to rejection codes? I believe they're still defined somewhere in the SMTP standard? Or Google should be exempt from returning errors?
- Avamander 3y agoYou have to understand that telling the spammers each and every detail is simply not viable. So you're gonna end up with situations where lazy/uninformed postmasters get caught in-between, sucks but unavoidable.
- nottorp 3y agoYou see it as lazy and uninformed, I see it as a barrier to entry enforced by a near monopoly.
- Avamander 3y agoEach market has barriers of entry, blame the market. It's far from a near monopoly.
- pseudalopex 3y agoYou have to understand a rejection is not telling every detail. And diligent postmasters have observed Google and Microsoft drop email from low volume senders with faultless configuration and reputation.
- Avamander 3y agoSometimes it's too much info to give out. You want to accept phish/malware and silently drop it so that the bad actors don't know you've detected it. A perfect technical configuration doesn't make you inherently trustworthy or provide you with faultless reputation.
- pseudalopex 3y ago> Sometimes it's too much info to give out. You want to accept phish/malware and silently drop it so that the bad actors don't know you've detected it. Users' interests are served by being informed when this happens. And plain text correspondence is not easily mistaken for malware. > A perfect technical configuration doesn't make you inherently trustworthy or provide you with faultless reputation. No one claimed such.
- MereInterest 3y ago> The spam folder is not a dump of true positives. That's exactly what it should be. If somebody sends me an email, it should arrive somewhere that I can see. If that means needing tiers of spam folders, each one spammier than the last, then so be it.