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I think one big difference is that a job is something you have a choice in. A person who can only afford to house and feed themselves isn't free to have no job,

I think one big difference is that a job is something you have a choice in. A person who can only afford to house and feed themselves isn't free to have no job, but they are free to choose which job they do. In such cases, the parent's point of "more jobs are better" definitely applies, as it gives workers a lot more choice (even disregarding the bargaining power).

pastacacioepepe 3y ago
Ok, you are free to choose between shit unhealthy job in factory A and shit unhealthy job in factory B. Choice is an illusion, you still have no freedom. Say you also had the choice to pick a square of land, build a hut and grow your food on it, now that would at least grant you some degree of freedom, but since it isn't possible you are forced to work for one of these factories or starve. Relocate? Where? With which money? Just to become homeless somewhere else? I don't know how else to call this if not some form of slavery. You are not threatened with violence, but try to strike and see what happens.
- t0suj4 3y ago
  It is an illusion if you cannot create your job for yourself. Be it polishing pebbles or selling hard boiled eggs.
  - penneallagricia 3y ago
    The real illusion is that everyone has the opportunity to create a job for themselves. Who's going to work in the factories to produce the goods we all need then? It is clear that this system is based on the exploitation of a large workforce that sits at the bottom of the social pyramid. Our society would literally collapse if everyone was able to escape wage slavery at once.
    - than3 3y ago
      The illusion is equality of opportunity vs. equality of outcome. > It is clear that this system... Yes, and that is where Chat-GPT and the newer generation AI's come in. Not on the workers side, but still escaping wage slavery all the same.

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I think one big difference is that a job is something you have a choice in. A person who can only afford to house and feed themselves isn't free to have no job,

by gameman144 3y ago

pastacacioepepe 3y ago
Ok, you are free to choose between shit unhealthy job in factory A and shit unhealthy job in factory B. Choice is an illusion, you still have no freedom. Say you also had the choice to pick a square of land, build a hut and grow your food on it, now that would at least grant you some degree of freedom, but since it isn't possible you are forced to work for one of these factories or starve. Relocate? Where? With which money? Just to become homeless somewhere else? I don't know how else to call this if not some form of slavery. You are not threatened with violence, but try to strike and see what happens.
- t0suj4 3y ago
  It is an illusion if you cannot create your job for yourself. Be it polishing pebbles or selling hard boiled eggs.
  - penneallagricia 3y ago
    The real illusion is that everyone has the opportunity to create a job for themselves. Who's going to work in the factories to produce the goods we all need then? It is clear that this system is based on the exploitation of a large workforce that sits at the bottom of the social pyramid. Our society would literally collapse if everyone was able to escape wage slavery at once.
    - than3 3y ago
      The illusion is equality of opportunity vs. equality of outcome. > It is clear that this system... Yes, and that is where Chat-GPT and the newer generation AI's come in. Not on the workers side, but still escaping wage slavery all the same.