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> The internet and social media have provided the perfect weapon to deliver disinformation and propaganda to manipulate the masses, and create a state of intern

> The internet and social media have provided the perfect weapon to deliver disinformation and propaganda to manipulate the masses, and create a state of internal conflict and confusion. Yes, unlike the good old day when legacy media (tv/newspapers/radio) served the people and told them the truth, without trying to manipulate the masses.

zmgsabst 3y ago
Ideological subversion has been happening since the Frankfurt school fled to the US: “critical theories” festered in academia for generations until they could permeate and rot society. Social media, however, accelerated that by allowing individual manipulation of vulnerable young people with that messaging by both foreign adversaries and subverted citizens. Boosted by things like economic warfare, where China funds these radical groups and promotes their agendas.
- Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
  That wouldn't have happened if the legacy media and local state actors didn't discredit themselves with blatant lies, open bias and non-stop propaganda. Foreign adversaries have gained some meaningful ground only because local sources of information stopped even pretending to be an objective source of information.
  - zmgsabst 3y ago
    I don’t think that’s true. Eg, as a recent example, we saw major media institutions subverted to run propaganda cover for an organized terrorist campaign which saw over a billion dollars in arson attacks across dozens of major cities — and dozens of murders, including Antonio Mays Jr and David Dorn. I see the role of social media as accelerating the subversion of traditional institutions, eg media or academia.
- Timon3 3y ago
  Could you explicitly explain your critique of "the Frankfurt school" and "critical theories"?
  - zmgsabst 3y ago
    The Frankfurt school is a set of communist revolutionaries who promoted “critical theories” as their methodology of fomenting civil unrest and social breakdown to bring about Marxist revolution. When the Germans chased them out by preferring literal Nazis, they settled in the US and performed the same schtick — most recently with “critical race theory” and “critical queer theory”, both of which have increased division in US society and undermined social progress, such as civil rights. Eg, “critical race theory” promotes continued organized racism against Asians while promoting grievance myths which encourage terrorism. As seen in the burning of dozens of cities and dozens of murders and institutions such as Harvard arguing before the Supreme Court they’re allowed to discriminate against Asians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory BLM founder explaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5zUwiCTzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5zUwiCTzw Harvard case: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/supreme-court-harvard-unc-affirmative-action.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/supreme-court-harvard-... Harvard filing showing nearly double chance of admission if you’re black or Hispanic versus white or Asian, in exhibit 26: https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/diverse-education/files/expert_report_-_2017-12-15_dr._david_card_expert_report_updated_confid_desigs_redacted.pdf https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/diverse-education/file...
    - throwdownaway 3y ago
      ”As seen in the burning of dozens of cities” Hang on, you’re claiming that no less than 24 US cities have suffered significant fire damage by critical-race-theory-espousing arsonists? What are some examples? For level-setting purposes, personally speaking, I do not consider one or two buildings burning to be equal to a “city” burning — that wording evokes major widespread arson on par with 70s race riots. And if you are referring to protests in response to a police-involved killing incident, the protesters cannot automatically be assumed to have any tie to “critical race theory”, it needs to be a firm provable connection to make this claim.
imiric 3y ago
Big difference: legacy media was far less accessible to foreign enemies. Not that disinformation didn't happen from within, but certainly not with the force we've seen in the last two decades, and without the intent to destabilize their own democracies.
- RobotToaster 3y ago
  Instead we had people like William Randolph Hearst owning the press, who started a war with Spain.

zmgsabst 3y ago

Ideological subversion has been happening since the Frankfurt school fled to the US: “critical theories” festered in academia for generations until they could permeate and rot society. Social media, however, accelerated that by allowing individual manipulation of vulnerable young people with that messaging by both foreign adversaries and subverted citizens. Boosted by things like economic warfare, where China funds these radical groups and promotes their agendas.

Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
That wouldn't have happened if the legacy media and local state actors didn't discredit themselves with blatant lies, open bias and non-stop propaganda. Foreign adversaries have gained some meaningful ground only because local sources of information stopped even pretending to be an objective source of information.
- zmgsabst 3y ago
  I don’t think that’s true. Eg, as a recent example, we saw major media institutions subverted to run propaganda cover for an organized terrorist campaign which saw over a billion dollars in arson attacks across dozens of major cities — and dozens of murders, including Antonio Mays Jr and David Dorn. I see the role of social media as accelerating the subversion of traditional institutions, eg media or academia.
Timon3 3y ago
Could you explicitly explain your critique of "the Frankfurt school" and "critical theories"?
- zmgsabst 3y ago
  The Frankfurt school is a set of communist revolutionaries who promoted “critical theories” as their methodology of fomenting civil unrest and social breakdown to bring about Marxist revolution. When the Germans chased them out by preferring literal Nazis, they settled in the US and performed the same schtick — most recently with “critical race theory” and “critical queer theory”, both of which have increased division in US society and undermined social progress, such as civil rights. Eg, “critical race theory” promotes continued organized racism against Asians while promoting grievance myths which encourage terrorism. As seen in the burning of dozens of cities and dozens of murders and institutions such as Harvard arguing before the Supreme Court they’re allowed to discriminate against Asians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory BLM founder explaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5zUwiCTzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5zUwiCTzw Harvard case: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/supreme-court-harvard-unc-affirmative-action.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/supreme-court-harvard-... Harvard filing showing nearly double chance of admission if you’re black or Hispanic versus white or Asian, in exhibit 26: https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/diverse-education/files/expert_report_-_2017-12-15_dr._david_card_expert_report_updated_confid_desigs_redacted.pdf https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/diverse-education/file...
  - throwdownaway 3y ago
    ”As seen in the burning of dozens of cities” Hang on, you’re claiming that no less than 24 US cities have suffered significant fire damage by critical-race-theory-espousing arsonists? What are some examples? For level-setting purposes, personally speaking, I do not consider one or two buildings burning to be equal to a “city” burning — that wording evokes major widespread arson on par with 70s race riots. And if you are referring to protests in response to a police-involved killing incident, the protesters cannot automatically be assumed to have any tie to “critical race theory”, it needs to be a firm provable connection to make this claim.

imiric 3y ago

Big difference: legacy media was far less accessible to foreign enemies. Not that disinformation didn't happen from within, but certainly not with the force we've seen in the last two decades, and without the intent to destabilize their own democracies.

RobotToaster 3y ago
Instead we had people like William Randolph Hearst owning the press, who started a war with Spain.