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In Germany, a sticker saying "no ads or free newspapers" is legally binding, repeated violations are quickly fined. It's opt out, but great otherwise.

kwhitefoot 4y ago
Same in Norway. And it works. Ditto for cold calling.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  I think cold calling is generally forbidden? At least I never got any non scam calls.
  - kwhitefoot 4y ago
    Yes and no. If the caller has an existing relationship with the customer they can always call you. So your bank can call you. There is a register "Reservasjon mot telefonsalg og adressert reklame" that you can put you mobile number, etc., on and everyone who might call is obliged to update their own records from it monthly so that they avoid calling anyone on the register. I very occasionally, perhaps once every year or two, get cold called in Norway but now they are always from offshore. A few years ago I got a couple of cold calls from Norwegian companies but when I pointed out that I had registered all the family's mobile numbers with Brønnøysund [1] they apologized and that was the last I heard from them. [1] https://www.altinn.no/skjemaoversikt/bronnoysundregistrene/reservasjon-mot-telefonsalg-og-adressert-reklame/ https://www.altinn.no/skjemaoversikt/bronnoysundregistrene/r...
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  Speaking of which, wasn't there supposed to be a crackdown in the US? Something about the SHAKEN/STIR protocols? I'm still getting loads of spam calls, does anyone know where things got held up?
  - kelnos 4y ago
    My understanding is that SHAKEN/STIR wasn't supposed to stop spam calls, but to stop caller ID spoofing. That way you could have "verified callers". Some calls I get on my phone (Android, T-Mobile) do have little checkmarks next to them, and I assume that means they had valid SHAKEN/STIR information. Possibly at some point we'll be able to just blackhole calls that don't pass verification. But that won't really stop spam calls; it just means that they'll come from verified entities. I guess in that case you can go after them with complaints and get them fined in the cases where their calls violate the law, but that doesn't sound like a great solution... I have better things to do than chase down misbehaving companies.
shafyy 4y ago
Still doesn't work in my experience. I personally don't have the time or resources to go after companies who still put ads in my mail box.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  I never got unaddressed spam. And from what I read online, it is supposed to work very well.
- ohlookabird 4y ago
  Works very well in my experience. I never get unwanted ads. The only time this is mildly annoying is during election time. Parties usually distribute flyers/pamphlets with their ideas (which are otherwise known, but still interesting to compare to each other).
- gerdesj 4y ago
  Our paper recycling bin is close to the front door. I see minimal unsolicited mail because it is expensive to deliver. I do miss the old phone books - nice thin and absorbent paper. The old (UK) large format Yellow Pages could see you right for ages if money was tight.
  - jxramos 4y ago
    See you right for what?
    - djbusby 4y ago
      The paper is used in the water closet.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
  - kelnos 4y ago
    > I see minimal unsolicited mail because it is expensive to deliver. This is where the US gets it wrong: over here, it's much cheaper for a company to send bulk unsolicited mail than it is for a regular person to mail a letter. > I do miss the old phone books - nice thin and absorbent paper Oof, if it's anything like the paper -- and, critically, ink -- used in our old phone books, well... yeah.
yafbum 4y ago
I'm just talking about the mail with my actual name on it. Credit card offers, promo magazines, catalogs, service coupons, etc
- johannes1234321 4y ago
  In those cases you can identify an responsible purpose and then GDPR complaints are quite effective over here in getting one from distribution lists. With e-mail identifying the responsible sender is a lot harder.
  - yafbum 4y ago
    Still way more work than clicking "mark as spam" and not really having to worry about missing an actual check

kwhitefoot 4y ago

Same in Norway. And it works. Ditto for cold calling.

Semaphor 4y ago
I think cold calling is generally forbidden? At least I never got any non scam calls.
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  Yes and no. If the caller has an existing relationship with the customer they can always call you. So your bank can call you. There is a register "Reservasjon mot telefonsalg og adressert reklame" that you can put you mobile number, etc., on and everyone who might call is obliged to update their own records from it monthly so that they avoid calling anyone on the register. I very occasionally, perhaps once every year or two, get cold called in Norway but now they are always from offshore. A few years ago I got a couple of cold calls from Norwegian companies but when I pointed out that I had registered all the family's mobile numbers with Brønnøysund [1] they apologized and that was the last I heard from them. [1] https://www.altinn.no/skjemaoversikt/bronnoysundregistrene/reservasjon-mot-telefonsalg-og-adressert-reklame/ https://www.altinn.no/skjemaoversikt/bronnoysundregistrene/r...
jjoonathan 4y ago
Speaking of which, wasn't there supposed to be a crackdown in the US? Something about the SHAKEN/STIR protocols? I'm still getting loads of spam calls, does anyone know where things got held up?
- kelnos 4y ago
  My understanding is that SHAKEN/STIR wasn't supposed to stop spam calls, but to stop caller ID spoofing. That way you could have "verified callers". Some calls I get on my phone (Android, T-Mobile) do have little checkmarks next to them, and I assume that means they had valid SHAKEN/STIR information. Possibly at some point we'll be able to just blackhole calls that don't pass verification. But that won't really stop spam calls; it just means that they'll come from verified entities. I guess in that case you can go after them with complaints and get them fined in the cases where their calls violate the law, but that doesn't sound like a great solution... I have better things to do than chase down misbehaving companies.

shafyy 4y ago

Still doesn't work in my experience. I personally don't have the time or resources to go after companies who still put ads in my mail box.

Semaphor 4y ago
I never got unaddressed spam. And from what I read online, it is supposed to work very well.
ohlookabird 4y ago
Works very well in my experience. I never get unwanted ads. The only time this is mildly annoying is during election time. Parties usually distribute flyers/pamphlets with their ideas (which are otherwise known, but still interesting to compare to each other).
gerdesj 4y ago
Our paper recycling bin is close to the front door. I see minimal unsolicited mail because it is expensive to deliver. I do miss the old phone books - nice thin and absorbent paper. The old (UK) large format Yellow Pages could see you right for ages if money was tight.
- jxramos 4y ago
  See you right for what?
  - djbusby 4y ago
    The paper is used in the water closet.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
- kelnos 4y ago
  > I see minimal unsolicited mail because it is expensive to deliver. This is where the US gets it wrong: over here, it's much cheaper for a company to send bulk unsolicited mail than it is for a regular person to mail a letter. > I do miss the old phone books - nice thin and absorbent paper Oof, if it's anything like the paper -- and, critically, ink -- used in our old phone books, well... yeah.

yafbum 4y ago

I'm just talking about the mail with my actual name on it. Credit card offers, promo magazines, catalogs, service coupons, etc

johannes1234321 4y ago
In those cases you can identify an responsible purpose and then GDPR complaints are quite effective over here in getting one from distribution lists. With e-mail identifying the responsible sender is a lot harder.
- yafbum 4y ago
  Still way more work than clicking "mark as spam" and not really having to worry about missing an actual check