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I'm about to venture into setting up a new email server. Mainly in that I'd been wanting to play with WildDuck.. and second in that I'd like to stop paying to

I'm about to venture into setting up a new email server. Mainly in that I'd been wanting to play with WildDuck.. and second in that I'd like to stop paying to relay though SendGrid, which I've been doing the past several years. I setup a dedicated server not on a major cloud host, and am not looking forward to all the details involved in the lack of trust starting out. Let alone the dark art of spam detection. But I want to get back into it if only because I don't like how the major parties are cornering things up. I also want to be able to actually handle mail for several domains and not have it nickel and dime me to death. It costs way more for a single email account these days than it does to run a few dozen minor websites. While it's nice that Google Domains (when you use their DNS) and Cloudflare both have included email forwarding, sometimes you want an actual box to send from too. And with the partitioning that GMail now does, I can't find anything anymore without hunting for it... the only benefit is two of the subtabs, I'm able to just delete all once in a while. I wish that email were much more reliable and able to actually setup 2-way relationships similar to IM clients. And of course, limit/remove third party info sales/spam in those relationships.

cube00 4y ago
> lack of trust starting out If you're only a small time sender lack of trust is permanent. I've been self hosting for three years now, never sent spam, never had the server breached and GMail and Microsoft both still send mail to spam. At least Microsoft no longer outright 550 refuse my mail so I have that going for me which is nice.
- Avamander 4y ago
  It's not permanent. Polish up your sending practices, slowly build up sending and you can deliver to all big providers from DO or OVH for all you care. It's the small providers that'll give you the most trouble.
  - tracker1 4y ago
    Last time I tried, Google and even O365 delivered fine... Hotmail and Outlook.com, ironically considering they're also MS managed were the biggest problems from my testing. At this point, I'm willing to let some of it go to spam, as I think most people wind up having to check there regularly anyway. There's a lot of false positives, but so much actual spam and uce I don't really blame the carriers. DKIM, SPF, etc only go so far anymore, and even graylisting doesn't seem nearly as effective as it once was. Again, not really looking forward to parts of this, but I do want to at least try self-hosting as much as I can. I like the cloud offerings from MS/Google, but don't like the companies or their actions in and of themselves. Only one real way to push back, and that's to actually try. And on the small providers, yeah I can get that. I'm a bit more than a decade removed from self-hosting much of anything, and even then balancing DNS RBL with other factors was at least interesting if not frustrating.

cube00 4y ago

> lack of trust starting out If you're only a small time sender lack of trust is permanent. I've been self hosting for three years now, never sent spam, never had the server breached and GMail and Microsoft both still send mail to spam. At least Microsoft no longer outright 550 refuse my mail so I have that going for me which is nice.

Avamander 4y ago
It's not permanent. Polish up your sending practices, slowly build up sending and you can deliver to all big providers from DO or OVH for all you care. It's the small providers that'll give you the most trouble.
- tracker1 4y ago
  Last time I tried, Google and even O365 delivered fine... Hotmail and Outlook.com, ironically considering they're also MS managed were the biggest problems from my testing. At this point, I'm willing to let some of it go to spam, as I think most people wind up having to check there regularly anyway. There's a lot of false positives, but so much actual spam and uce I don't really blame the carriers. DKIM, SPF, etc only go so far anymore, and even graylisting doesn't seem nearly as effective as it once was. Again, not really looking forward to parts of this, but I do want to at least try self-hosting as much as I can. I like the cloud offerings from MS/Google, but don't like the companies or their actions in and of themselves. Only one real way to push back, and that's to actually try. And on the small providers, yeah I can get that. I'm a bit more than a decade removed from self-hosting much of anything, and even then balancing DNS RBL with other factors was at least interesting if not frustrating.