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Not sure I'd call Acme a big part of Plan 9, though it does follow the philosophy somewhat. I know folks who use 9front who would rather spend time in the Sam e

Not sure I'd call Acme a big part of Plan 9, though it does follow the philosophy somewhat. I know folks who use 9front who would rather spend time in the Sam editor than use Acme, and they use 9front as their daily driver system. But I totally agree with you on the "do something weird" approach to learning and gaining inspiration. Some problems that are hard in some spaces are extremely easy to deal with in others. I actually do use acme on 9front for a lot of coding tasks in conjunction with sshnet (imagine importing a remote system's network accessibility over ssh - like a lightweight VPN-almost sorta) and sshfs through that sshnet "tunnel". This gives me a nice code, compile, test cycle that has some "editing" commands that let me jump straight to where failures occur with a single click. And Acme knows nothing about what it's doing... it simply follows its own basic rules, and the file system underneath is arranged to enable my workflow.

JHonaker 3y ago
Yea, I was really just trying to say, Acme is part of the Plan 9 ecosystem for people that have never heard of either. For me at least, Acme is the quintessential P9 application, but I concede that it's Sam for most P9ers in history. It's probably more apt to say Acme is an excellent exemplar of the Plan 9 way. The file-based socket-y proto-RPC "plugin" way of doing things is intimately tied to Plan 9's design. And yea, Acme is different, but Sam is weird. In a good way though. I never really tried to get the hang of it, but Sam does live on in some ways (Vim Ex commands and such). I'm also not surprised that a 9front user thinks it's a good idea to be weird. Just look at your webpage and this very bizarre thing that is for some reason linked one click away on the side menu: http://9front.org/movies/ http://9front.org/movies/
- LukeShu 3y ago
  I think the chain of influence flows from ex/vi to sam, not the other way around?
  - butterisgood 3y ago
    ed -> jim -> sam(antha) from: https://9p.io/sys/doc/sam/sam.html https://9p.io/sys/doc/sam/sam.html

JHonaker 3y ago

Yea, I was really just trying to say, Acme is part of the Plan 9 ecosystem for people that have never heard of either. For me at least, Acme is the quintessential P9 application, but I concede that it's Sam for most P9ers in history. It's probably more apt to say Acme is an excellent exemplar of the Plan 9 way. The file-based socket-y proto-RPC "plugin" way of doing things is intimately tied to Plan 9's design. And yea, Acme is different, but Sam is weird. In a good way though. I never really tried to get the hang of it, but Sam does live on in some ways (Vim Ex commands and such). I'm also not surprised that a 9front user thinks it's a good idea to be weird. Just look at your webpage and this very bizarre thing that is for some reason linked one click away on the side menu: http://9front.org/movies/ http://9front.org/movies/

LukeShu 3y ago
I think the chain of influence flows from ex/vi to sam, not the other way around?
- butterisgood 3y ago
  ed -> jim -> sam(antha) from: https://9p.io/sys/doc/sam/sam.html https://9p.io/sys/doc/sam/sam.html