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Who determines what is a sewer and what is the voice of the unheard?

by LudwigNagasena 4y ago

bediger4000 4y ago
You're not seriously claiming that 4chan is full of unheard voices?
- polski-g 4y ago
  Shitposting is the voice of the unheard.
- jafo1989 4y ago
  Ah, the ol' "I know a sewer when I see it" rule.
- skyyler 4y ago
  You might not think so, but there are absolutely unheard voices there. The /lgbt/ board is full of viewpoints I've not seen shared elsewhere. Is that a good thing? Not for me to decide. I'm not particularly involved with 4chan culture so I don't understand what they're saying. But they've definitely found a space where they can share their opinions.
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  I am seriously claiming that. Everywhere else on the internet, you'll get banned for posting something even a little politically incorrect.
  - krapp 4y ago
    > Everywhere else on the internet, you'll get banned for posting something even a little politically incorrect. No you won't. 4chan's strain of political incorrectness is endemic throughout the internet. It's suffused internet culture and become normalized in the mainstream. It's found in every comment section on every social media platform, and the terminally edgy have an entire ecosystem of alternative forums, platforms and alt-accounts when the normies are just too square for their tastes. It's even becoming commonplace on HN. There is literally no demographic more heard than edgy 4chan shitlords.
    - DiscourseFan 4y ago
      I think that the most remarkable thing about the website is exactly its cultural force, even while being near universally maligned by traditional media and the "polite" sides of the internet. No where else can you "get away with" saying something that you couldn't elsewhere, and suffer absolutely 0 consequences for voicing actually controversial opinions. Everything there is anonymous, unverifiable, and yet oftentimes it rings more true than what you might here from a "reputable" source.
      - simplotek 4y ago
        > No where else can you "get away with" saying something that you couldn't elsewhere, and suffer absolutely 0 consequences for voicing actually controversial opinions. I'm not sure you fully understand the issue. 4chan is nothing special, let alone remarkable, with regards to "getting away with" saying something. It's just a popular spot and the only one you know. I assure you that there are a myriad of forums and chatrooms all around the web that have the same sort of contents and even worse, being exchanged. The key difference is that 4chan is the mainstream, generalist forum, and a huge one at that with millions of unique monthly visitors. Claiming that 4chan is unique in it's content reads like claiming that Pepsi is a small unknown soda brand that is almost secret.
        DiscourseFan 4y ago
        There are many, many small forums where people can air the most controversial opinions--I don't disagree. But the fact that there is one MASSIVE one in the public consciousness means that people aren't automatically filtered into these mass, heavily monitored and controlled forums like reddit, facebook, instagram, etc. but instead can easily find a place where nobodies opinion, voice, or resistance to what is considered polite and "acceptable," and speak there. In the old days what you're saying is true, but we're not in the old days, we're in the days where everyone uses the internet and the internet is vastly profitable. Where corporations, the state, the news-media, relentlessly seek to manipulate public opinion to their own aims. In all that, something as remarkable as the continued existence of 4chan stands directly opposed to power and everything in society that seeks to regulate and control behavior and discourse.
  - john_shafthair 4y ago
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  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    You're welcome to reflect on what would happen if you posted 4chan content here and why.
- deleted 4y ago
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- flangola7 4y ago
  Most 4channers would themselves call it a sewer. Any person who thinks the content is anything other than word-shaped human waste is suffering from severe delusions.
  - brnaftr361 4y ago
    I think it's pretty common that ingroups can say whatever they'd like. Outgroups saying the same thing, however, takes on any entirely different color. Anyways, 4chan was seminal to the internet as you know it. The Portal developers debuted Narbacular Drop, it was foundational to early streaming e.g. "let's plays" which are echoed by several major platforms to this day (Justin.tv) it isn't verifiable by any means but I recall someone either posing as the YouTube developers, or the actual developers themselves promoting the earliest iterations of YouTube - early enough that I was wholly skeptical of the viability of the platform. I'm reasonably sure that Stranger Things was written by a creepyposter, or ripped off by the writing crew. A lot of the meme syndromes were pioneered there or at least allowed to proliferate. It's frankly ridiculous and highly biased to color it in broad strokes.
    - chownie 4y ago
      4chan circa 2004-2013 is very much not 4chan in 2023. The site does not influence as much as it is influenced at this stage, you see memes cooked up on telegram and twitter which then filter back to 4chan, this backflow would've been unthinkable before — 4chan was faster, it was first. It is no longer that.
      - brnaftr361 4y ago
        I don't browse 4chan anymore, not regularly, but they're still streamlined in some categories. They're still very gung-ho and high seas from what I've seen. I don't think 4chan has the cultural edge it once did, but I still think the community tends to be on the cutting edge just due to the anonymity, ephemerality, and the fact the site has always sat hard on being edgy. But maybe I'm wrong, I'm hardly a cultural analyst. I guess I'd point to Automatic1111 (4channer) as my most recent high-profile exposure to something 4chan related. And Automatic1111's repo was the favored client, and one of the most rapidly developed programs I've ever seen.
krapp 4y ago
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- deleted 4y ago
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rnd0 4y ago
Whoever has the gold -or who stands to lose same.
doublerabbit 4y ago
Anyone can call anything anything. Sewers are toxic and 4chan is toxic. Easy deduction. However 4chan is more than just a sewer. It's a swamp fed by an sewer outlet which is also 4chan. Depending how far you want to climb up the pipe, the more toxic it gets. The underbelly and secret boards of 4chan are really where the sewage gushes from. All in all 4chan is a forum with controversial and non-controversial discussion.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  By that definition so are Reddit and Twitter.
  - doublerabbit 4y ago
    Absolutely. Just more diluted with more cleanup.
chownie 4y ago
I challenge you to read /b/ for half an hour and maintain this devil's advocate position. It is absolutely a sewer.

Who determines what is a sewer and what is the voice of the unheard?

bediger4000 4y ago

You're not seriously claiming that 4chan is full of unheard voices?

polski-g 4y ago
Shitposting is the voice of the unheard.
jafo1989 4y ago
Ah, the ol' "I know a sewer when I see it" rule.
skyyler 4y ago
You might not think so, but there are absolutely unheard voices there. The /lgbt/ board is full of viewpoints I've not seen shared elsewhere. Is that a good thing? Not for me to decide. I'm not particularly involved with 4chan culture so I don't understand what they're saying. But they've definitely found a space where they can share their opinions.
commandlinefan 4y ago
I am seriously claiming that. Everywhere else on the internet, you'll get banned for posting something even a little politically incorrect.
- krapp 4y ago
  > Everywhere else on the internet, you'll get banned for posting something even a little politically incorrect. No you won't. 4chan's strain of political incorrectness is endemic throughout the internet. It's suffused internet culture and become normalized in the mainstream. It's found in every comment section on every social media platform, and the terminally edgy have an entire ecosystem of alternative forums, platforms and alt-accounts when the normies are just too square for their tastes. It's even becoming commonplace on HN. There is literally no demographic more heard than edgy 4chan shitlords.
  - DiscourseFan 4y ago
    I think that the most remarkable thing about the website is exactly its cultural force, even while being near universally maligned by traditional media and the "polite" sides of the internet. No where else can you "get away with" saying something that you couldn't elsewhere, and suffer absolutely 0 consequences for voicing actually controversial opinions. Everything there is anonymous, unverifiable, and yet oftentimes it rings more true than what you might here from a "reputable" source.
    - simplotek 4y ago
      > No where else can you "get away with" saying something that you couldn't elsewhere, and suffer absolutely 0 consequences for voicing actually controversial opinions. I'm not sure you fully understand the issue. 4chan is nothing special, let alone remarkable, with regards to "getting away with" saying something. It's just a popular spot and the only one you know. I assure you that there are a myriad of forums and chatrooms all around the web that have the same sort of contents and even worse, being exchanged. The key difference is that 4chan is the mainstream, generalist forum, and a huge one at that with millions of unique monthly visitors. Claiming that 4chan is unique in it's content reads like claiming that Pepsi is a small unknown soda brand that is almost secret.
      - DiscourseFan 4y ago
        There are many, many small forums where people can air the most controversial opinions--I don't disagree. But the fact that there is one MASSIVE one in the public consciousness means that people aren't automatically filtered into these mass, heavily monitored and controlled forums like reddit, facebook, instagram, etc. but instead can easily find a place where nobodies opinion, voice, or resistance to what is considered polite and "acceptable," and speak there. In the old days what you're saying is true, but we're not in the old days, we're in the days where everyone uses the internet and the internet is vastly profitable. Where corporations, the state, the news-media, relentlessly seek to manipulate public opinion to their own aims. In all that, something as remarkable as the continued existence of 4chan stands directly opposed to power and everything in society that seeks to regulate and control behavior and discourse.
- john_shafthair 4y ago
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- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  You're welcome to reflect on what would happen if you posted 4chan content here and why.
deleted 4y ago
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flangola7 4y ago
Most 4channers would themselves call it a sewer. Any person who thinks the content is anything other than word-shaped human waste is suffering from severe delusions.
- brnaftr361 4y ago
  I think it's pretty common that ingroups can say whatever they'd like. Outgroups saying the same thing, however, takes on any entirely different color. Anyways, 4chan was seminal to the internet as you know it. The Portal developers debuted Narbacular Drop, it was foundational to early streaming e.g. "let's plays" which are echoed by several major platforms to this day (Justin.tv) it isn't verifiable by any means but I recall someone either posing as the YouTube developers, or the actual developers themselves promoting the earliest iterations of YouTube - early enough that I was wholly skeptical of the viability of the platform. I'm reasonably sure that Stranger Things was written by a creepyposter, or ripped off by the writing crew. A lot of the meme syndromes were pioneered there or at least allowed to proliferate. It's frankly ridiculous and highly biased to color it in broad strokes.
  - chownie 4y ago
    4chan circa 2004-2013 is very much not 4chan in 2023. The site does not influence as much as it is influenced at this stage, you see memes cooked up on telegram and twitter which then filter back to 4chan, this backflow would've been unthinkable before — 4chan was faster, it was first. It is no longer that.
    - brnaftr361 4y ago
      I don't browse 4chan anymore, not regularly, but they're still streamlined in some categories. They're still very gung-ho and high seas from what I've seen. I don't think 4chan has the cultural edge it once did, but I still think the community tends to be on the cutting edge just due to the anonymity, ephemerality, and the fact the site has always sat hard on being edgy. But maybe I'm wrong, I'm hardly a cultural analyst. I guess I'd point to Automatic1111 (4channer) as my most recent high-profile exposure to something 4chan related. And Automatic1111's repo was the favored client, and one of the most rapidly developed programs I've ever seen.

krapp 4y ago

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rnd0 4y ago

Whoever has the gold -or who stands to lose same.

doublerabbit 4y ago

Anyone can call anything anything. Sewers are toxic and 4chan is toxic. Easy deduction. However 4chan is more than just a sewer. It's a swamp fed by an sewer outlet which is also 4chan. Depending how far you want to climb up the pipe, the more toxic it gets. The underbelly and secret boards of 4chan are really where the sewage gushes from. All in all 4chan is a forum with controversial and non-controversial discussion.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
By that definition so are Reddit and Twitter.
- doublerabbit 4y ago
  Absolutely. Just more diluted with more cleanup.

chownie 4y ago

I challenge you to read /b/ for half an hour and maintain this devil's advocate position. It is absolutely a sewer.