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It's also tough because nobody really wants this. I've asked around and none of the vegans, vegetarians, or meat eaters I know are even vaguely interested in th
by 64operator 3y ago
It's also tough because nobody really wants this. I've asked around and none of the vegans, vegetarians, or meat eaters I know are even vaguely interested in this. Reactions range from "huh" to "I'll never eat fake meat." I wont eat it either, it's dehumanizing.
- gamerDude 3y agoTo add the other side. Every single one of my friends are excited for lab grown meat. The potential for a cleaner and more ethical meat plus the potential for new and better/different tasting meat is a plus for everyone in my circle.
- 64operator 3y agoThe energy inputs alone preclude any thought of it being ethical.
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- hombre_fatal 3y agoWhat are the energy inputs and how do they compare with meat?
- 64operator 3y agoWhat aren't they, really? That's what I'd like to know.
- hombre_fatal 3y agoMeat is resource intensive and certainly more resource intensive than eating vegetables directly. Meat is so inefficient that we grow most of our crops to feed meat, for example. Why is this difference presumably not an ethical concern for you, but it is with lab-grown meat? Differentiating on energy intensiveness sounds like an empirical claim, so I'm going to ask about the empirics.
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- stickfigure 3y agoYou can't eat grass, and most ungulates can. If you're concerned about your personal footprint, it's not hard (in the US) to buy locally-raised, small-farm grass-fed beef.
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- dokem 3y agoYea, I'll give up real meat when the elites do.
- 64operator 3y agoIt's the same with minimizing my carbon footprint. As soon as Al Gore and Bill Gates stop flying I'm all in.
- mcdonje 3y agoIf you had to pay the actual cost of it instead of the subsidized cost, you'd probably eat a lot less of it.
- 64operator 3y agoCouldn't you say this about nearly everything? Energy green or non, non-meat foodstuffs, medicines, education, mail? Let's cut all subsidies across the board.
- cute_boi 3y agoWell, In these cases, I think Elites will win and there will be more poor people.
- 64operator 3y agoWith WWIII coming the poor people problem has been solved.
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- yamtaddle 3y agoI'm an occasional-meat kinda eater, and yeah, I'll just go all-veggie (with eggs and milk—you can pry those from my cold, dead fingers, I'll farm my own if that's the only way to get it) before eating this stuff. If I want to fill gaps in nutrition with shit from a lab, I can just start taking vitamins. I dunno, maybe if it were super-cheap—well under the cost of farmed meat, like, 20% the price—I might use it some just because hey, cheap protein, but otherwise, no.
- rcar1046 3y agoI'll add to your anecdotal evidence by saying I am a vegetarian and I am interested in this. So somebody does really want this, just not people "around" you.
- spcebar 3y agoIf it ever actually comes to market there will be a huge marketing push to make it seem like or better than normal meat, and to reframe or make people not think about how the product is made. There's lots of things that are pretty gross when you think about them, but have been marketed and made palatable. I think they'll be able to create people who want the product by reframing what the product is, once they /have/ a product. It's not 'lab grown meat', it's 'cruelty free meat' or 'eco steak.'
- allemagne 3y agoEvery politician from the midwest, every meat industry lobbyist, and every livestock farmer will make damn sure that won't happen without a fight.
- 64operator 3y agoAlso the vast majority of the public, who eat meat. I would sacrifice your right to free speech before I sacrificed my ability to eat meat.
- gnicholas 3y agoInteresting, I definitely know people who are looking forward to this. Some would be willing to pay a price premium for it, and others would wait until it is the same price or lower than regular meat.
- cute_boi 3y agoMany people overlook the implications of choices. I realized this when I purchased the Just Eggs. I don't purchase 1 or 2 bottle per months, but it is good to have.
- luxuryballs 3y agoyeah it might be prime time to start a flank of church that includes eating real meat from free range beef cattle, no sarcasm, puns intended… plus imagine if we actually let the real cattle dwindle enough to the point where commercial or infrastructure failure would leave us with a sudden large gap in available meat, seems like sustainable local farming is the only wise solution, not more factory farms with even less cows
- 64operator 3y agoCan a modern military about to enter WWIII susbsist on root marm? Let's find out.
- barbazoo 3y agoSame here, I don't get why people are craving this but I accept that they do. And it's much better ethically than the current raise, abuse and slaughter process. Let's just hope it's also better environmentally.
- lkbm 3y agoI want this. I'll eat it. I'd be willing to pay some amount more than the current cost of regular meat (including the pricier more ethically-raised meat). Yahoo reports about a quarter of vegans say they would eat it.[0] MSU survey found that 35% of people overall would eat cultured meat[1], including a majority of people aged 18-40)[2]. It's not the majority of the population, but it's certainly not 0%, and certainly appears to be well into double-digit percentages. People are price-sensitive, so if it costs more than regular meat it will have a tough time gaining significant marketshare, but there's very clearly a sizable portion of the population who do want this, anecdotal surveys of your friends notwithstanding. [0] https://news.yahoo.com/most-vegans-support-lab-grown-120855022.html https://news.yahoo.com/most-vegans-support-lab-grown-1208550... [1] https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/michigan-state-university-poll-shows-emerging-food-trends-are-more-widely-embraced-by-younger-generations https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/michigan-state-university-poll... [2] https://theconversation.com/would-you-eat-meat-from-a-lab-consumers-arent-necessarily-sold-on-cultured-meat-100933 https://theconversation.com/would-you-eat-meat-from-a-lab-co...